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Squid.....................almost every problem we have in this city Hazel can make a connection with foreigners. That is simple kneejerk racism. Im shocked you defend that point of view. Imagine if Britain sent back its Irish born criminals! Where would we put them? Some weeks ago she made a connection with the flats on Careys road being demolished and "asylum seekers". Maybe something happened to make her like this. Either way i find her views poisionous. I worked outside this country and have experienced racism.It is an aberation and demeans us all.

Hazel's view is that anyone who misbehaves in a foreign country should be sent back to their own country. I do not see that as racist. If you were acting the prick in someone elses house they would throw you out.

Squid...................my comment concerned the racist comments of "Hazel". Thanks for the information concerning queries.

the only comment i removed his evening was one claiming an individual was "reponsible" for a crime when in fact he had only been accused of a crime. was that your comment? I have gone through two days of e-mail back up comment s and none of them were yours

in future take up comment queries in email, same as every one else. no special treatment

Squid..................why was my comment removed?

I think we may have a planetary problem here and I am just guessing but would most of ye be from Mars with me being from the other place?!! It was about the individual for me but can see that majority want it to be about suggesting a new system and quotas etc. I don't have the stomach for it - just got an email from a friend in Kenya where the married inter-tribal couples are being forceably separated. What a world! So am saying goodbye but might be back to bug Pat some other time!

No problem Squid.

Roisin, the floor is yours :-)

Its about the system not an individual.

Jeez, the joy has left this debate .

You have made your point pat, time to back off a little, you are starting to look like a bully

Roisin, what in the name of God is your posting about? It makes absoluely no sense.

Are you running some kind of "equality of sympathy" competition. Is it beyond your ability to stick to the point?

I'm so sure that all 'our liberal media' has a 'touchy-feely' agenda. This young man's photograph would not have appeared in the paper if there was even common decency in the media. The co-pilot of the Canadian plane forced to land at Shannon was experiencing mental problems also but was found a bed in the psychiatric wing of Ennis hospital immediately. His alleged actions may well have endangered far more people than were allegedly endangered (Squid, I hope I am putting enough allegedlys in here) in the Quality hotel but yet there was nothing but sympathy and concern for him. If you want to have an informed debate about immigration then let's go (and I freely admit I would have to do lots of research in order to be really informed) but maybe
WHY WASENT HE DEPORTED BACK TO NIGERIA IMMEDITALY
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS SOFT TOUCH OF A COUNTRY OF OURS
is not the best starting ground.

Hoof Says: "it’s a nice, touchy-feely ideal much beloved of our liberal media who seem to want to set the agenda on how we live. I blame UCD."

.....have you heard the shite being churned out by UL :-)

Why are you shifting the goalposts Roisín?. Nobody has claimed that Africans are the sole cause of violence or are giving Limerick the "hell hole" tag as you have. There have been plenty of discussions about the White/Irish gangs and gurriers (not stereotyping here are we?) elsewhere on the blog and a fair amount of criticism levelled at the politicians and Garda if you'd care to look.

What we need is an informed debate about immigration, not jumping up and down over-playing the racist card any time someone dares to suggest we adopt a clear unambiguous policy on immigration and, if need be, quotas as every other mature nation seems to have (ourselves and the UK excluded). There's no point in dreaming that an open door policy and embracing failed multiculturalism (ask the Dutch & Danes why they backed off it) will work simply because it's a nice, touchy-feely ideal much beloved of our liberal media who seem to want to set the agenda on how we live. I blame UCD.

We were discussing immigration as a whole! that would encompass all nationalities race and creeds no one has excercised any wrath.The fact that a mentally ill man could'nt be accomedated in the mental hospital deserves some wrath .Who foot the bill for the Quality Inn?Your tax dollars Roisin! maybe the monies would be better spent on the kids in Moyross and Southill teaching them social skills and life lessons so they can rise above the gutter. Maybe if they did'nt feel so out of place in society they would'nt be so likely to become punks.

@Roisin

You are fighting arguments that nobody has made. Calm down, read the posts and try discuss the issue at hand.

Put simply, Limerick is looked upon as a hell hole because of the out of control violence of the gangs and gurriers - the vast majority of whom are white and Irish. Wouldn't you be better off exercising your wrath on them and demanding action from the politicians and police rather than making very spurious claims about what is and what isn't available to asylum seekers and refugees. One young Nigerian man has mental problems and suddenly the blacks among us are the biggest problem we face? There will be people shaking in fear in their homes in Limerick City tonight and women and young people unable to walk safely around. Where are the furious blog contributions about that? Where is the community action? No, let's just sit on our backsides and say the Africans are our biggest problem. Scapegoating - God, we just excel at it.,

Good comments Shannaboley. Did a short stint in the States (legal, btw) myself for a while too, simply put, you work - you eat. The argument being put about by the PC mob comparing economic migrants rights here to those of the Irish in the US are like chalk and cheese.

Arrive on Uncle Sam's doorstep without the correct documents and you don't get past the gate. Here you don't even get stopped because Immigration are so afraid of the influential pressure groups who have sprung up on the back of our "new Irish" hang-up.

Also the US don't allow you to step outside the conditions of your visa or overstay, there you're booted out. Here - fed, found and feted with an over-sympathetic media to back the most spurious claim of "asylum". I mean if Nigeria is such an evil place why the hell have we diplomatic relations with them?. We didn't recognise apartheid South Africa for decades, but where are the protests outside the Nigerian Embassy calling for an end to the mutilation of female circumcision ?
Finally, how many Irish have claimed political asylum in the US in the past 50 years or so ?

Bock the Robber Says:


"Pat: I need no lectures from you".

Unfortunately you do.

Your arrogant and condesending posts attempt to deny Hazel the right to reasonable free speech just because they dont suit you.

Your comments do not adress the actual comments Hazel is making in this particular debate. Rather than fairly argue her comments you are simply trying to smear her with the racism tag.

This type of lazy political correctness does the country no favours and ultimately does the immigrants no favours. You seem to have a personal dislike for Hazel, get over it.

well said Shannaboley my sentiments exactly

Where is the Central mental hospital ? How in the name of god was there not room at St Josephs for this man.Wasn't it only last week that two Doctors were stabbed at a day facility?The immigration policy seems to be very lossey goosey like government is scared that they will seem unwelcoming .I think the Irish are suffering from did'nt ours go all over the world and get welcomed! we did I am one of them! You work hard for everything you get in America! No hand outs No freebees no b and bs no social housing social welfare socilizing unless you can afford to.Ireland needs to be more selective with whom they allow in instead of acting like an open trocara box.

Hi: I implied nothing of the sort. Race and nationality are two different things, or didn't you realise that?

Squid I would really prefer to work than to go around finding out what I am immediately entitled to if I for example was to head to some foreign country. I would hope that I would have checked out the job situation first. I asked the guy had he a degree of ignorance because I found him to be very rude and uncooperative. I would NOT under any circumstances go in shouting the odds at anyone nor am I saying that it is okay to do so. If colour of skin or race is not important I again ask the question , How many of these immigrants are housed in Moyross Southill or Weston? They are given apartments b & b etc. I really think we are a soft touch. Just my opinion. Maybe we need an Aussie Like John Howard in govt.

I would be in agreement with hazel in that any foreign national that commits a crime should be booted out of the country. I disagree with her view that the level of service at the Social welfare office is dependent on the colour of one's skin.

You Said:
I actually asked the guy at the counter had he a degree of ignorance to get a job as a civil servant

response

And you expect them to be nice to you after saying something like that, what did you hope to acomplish. I too have had to claim stamps. You can claim supplimentary Welfare Allowance while your waiting. If you go in all pissed off at people then they are naturally going to get pissed off at you.

As for foreign nationals knowing more about the system than you, then I suggest you take a look at citizensinformation.ie and start reading on whatever you feel you might be entitled to. It is not their fault that they did their research and you didn't.

This a sorry day but Squid I have to say you have begun to respond to readers comments like a real dictator. Yes it's youre site and you can do what you want ( blah blah blah ) but Hazel is right because I was treating like dirt when I went to the dole office to claim stamps 2 1/2 years ago. I actually asked the guy at the counter had he a degree of ignorance to get a job as a civil servant.The problem is that we cannot debate or have a discussion about non nationals because when we hit a nerve the racist card is produced. I have no problem with non nationals immigrants or anybody else who comes to this country and wants to work but I do have a problem with people who come in to this country knowing more about social welfare entitlements and so onthan we do...take from that what you will. Let me ask one quick question. How many non nationals have accomadation in Southill or Moyross?

You're right. Sorry.

Hazel as far as I know St Josephs is no longer used as a mental health hospital, but as a base for executives in the hse not 100% sure on this but if I'm wrong it will be posted here, as regards deportation of criminal asylum seekers, I'm in favour of it if Tom has a problem then I am also in favour of sending our idiots back too.

"Get your facts straight and don’t put words in my mouth. I said nothing about racism. I commented on Hazel who...has some personal problem with foreigners"

You just implied the girl was a racist right there by saying she has a personal problem with foreigners. Do you not have the brains or common sense to realise that you are after contradicting yourself in those two sentences.

By the way are you on a one man crusade to defend foreigners who come over here and break the law. Scumbags like that should be on the next plane out of Shannon. The same way if an Irish person was to engage in similar behaviour abroad they should get similar treatment.

@hazel

In order to claim stamps you just bring your letter of termination to the dole office, and they pay you the following week. If you are not entitled to stamps you go to the HSE and claim supplimentary Welfare Allowance which is usually paid the following week. This tides you over until your employer sends out your P45 etc etc. The claim that the state leaves people with fuck all if they lose their job is a myth. kindly get your facts straight.

Roisin, your post was removed as it referred to an ongoing court case, not because of your views. you should get your facts straight too.l

jeasus Hazel, are you trying to wind up the politically correct crowd. You cannot say that out loud!

Ah, perhaps my post was removed because it wasn't in line with 'the line 'em up and deport 'em' brigade. Am disappointed - thought this blog was up there among the better ones. You going to keep this one out too?

Pat: I need no lectures from you. If chancers need to be deported, I'm for it.

Get your facts straight and don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing about racism. I commented on Hazel who has consistently engaged in simplistic knee-jerk responses here for months and who has some personal problem with foreigners.

oh the latest update on the nigerian who ran riot in the quality hotel is that he has been moved to the central mental hospital
i suppose st josephs wasent up to his standards
anyway why was he not deported in the meantime

thankyou to ye all who agreed with me
yes its about time we woke up and realised that some of these individuals get better treated than our own people and then abuse the system
funny though thet know all their rights and entitlements
try siging on the dole to claim your stamps if you are unlucky enough to be out of work and you will see how we tax payers are treated
there is far too m8uch given to these so called asylum seekers
with their plush b and bs and their three meals aday
sur who wouldnt take advantage of the irish and their warm hospitality
tis agreat little country indeed

Tom...As I said, its up to the Americans to run America & its up to us to run Ireland. Anybody is free to make representations to anybody at any time.

The big difference is that in America they debate these issues. In ireland calls of "racism" destroy any attempt at debate.

Why was my second post on this topic removed? It wasn't offensive to anyone.

@Pat: "Take that up with the American authorities Tom. They can run their country and will can run ours."

Not as long the Irish government bothers the US goverment to change the status of the illegal Irish emmigrants in the US.

Hipocrisy at it's best!

john1 Says: ....."I dont follow this blog everyday but why is Hazel been tarnished with the ‘Racist’ brand? What she said above does not strike me as been very racist."

Its just knee jerk political correctnes John1 from people who fear open debate.

I dont follow this blog everyday but why is Hazel been tarnished with the 'Racist' brand? What she said above does not strike me as been very racist.

John wayne, she's hardly saying burn him at the stake!

I think Hazel has a point, we all have to accept that "non nationals" are coming into our country and we the Irish went to many different countries over the years. I think that anybody applying to work in Ireland should have checks done on them to see if they have a criminal record or not, it wouldnt affect the majority of people, but there is a few bad apples coming in. I also agree that they should be deported if a crime is commited.

Tom Says: ......Why are the “undocumented Irish” (illegal emmigrants breaking local immigration law) in the US not deported back to their country?

Take that up with the American authorities Tom. They can run their country and will can run ours.

Bock the robber....it is people like you who are supressing the debate on immegation in this country.

We need full and open discussion on this. Shouting "racism" everytime somebody makes what you consider to be a "politically incorrect" statement is doing the country no service.

Whay was the Nigerian not deported back to his country?

Why are the "undocumented Irish" (illegal emmigrants breaking local immigration law) in the US not deported back to their country?

Applying double standards here??????

So anyone expressing a viewpoint on why we should replace the current "open-door" with proper border/immigration control is branded a racist by the PC mob. The more the term is banded about for this reason the cheaper it's impact. The fact is we cannot have a debate about immigration in this country without someone getting on their liberal high-horse and shouting "racist". Yet countries such as Canada and Australia vet who cross their borders and discuss migrant and asylum policy.
What about the abuse of the Asylum system?. Where 90% or so of claims are bogus - Dept. of Justice figures undisputed by the Refugee Support Groups, btw, not urban legend - how does that serve the genuine case of someone fleeing real oppression rather than cases such as the Nigerian prince who didn't want to take on his duties at home.

As we've seen on a number of TV programmes recently, the aim of many migrants is not to just make it to Europe, but specifically Ireland and the UK. If you're fleeing oppression, what's wrong with Spain, France, Italy or anywhere else you arrive in Europe? What's the great attraction here? Does that one need an answer?.

I think it,s time we took a good long look at our country and ask where the hell are we going. Do we want to go down the multicultural road as so many other countries have gone and failed. Or do we shut up shop. These are questions we need to ask ourselves, now. Where do we draw the line on letting people from other countries into Ireland.Hopefully this question will be finally cleared up in the new immigration bill. People keep saying is it not great what Europe has done for us over the years. Well I for one are sick to the teeth of this " we cant make a sh.t without Europe". We are big enough to stand on our feet and if we vote no in the Lisbon Treaty we will still be the same country as before. It seems our people in power are pushing us into something we no noting about. And it always seem that problems that Europe create for us are never fixed, if ever, till after the problems occur. Enough is enough I say.

Hazel is dead right, we are a soft touch of a country, you can have any sort of criminal record and get into this country, they should all be vetted and sent home at their own expense if they have a criminal record. we have enough criminals of our own.

Sorry but Hazel is right. I heard from somebody who works in the Quality what happened and he was far worse. Now I understand that mental health is a disability but I also think that foreign people who are allowed into our country should be deported for any kind of behaviour. In fairness we welcome any nationality into the country and any kind of mistakes or criminal activity - send them home.

Hazel has a genuine concern and just because she has a view does not make her a racist. The current immigration legislation been brought forward by FF will see a better system in place.

Why am I not surprised that someone called Hazel was the first commenter on this post?

By now, I think it's clear that we're looking at somebody with an unhealthy obsession.

If he is mentally ill he is disabled.It would be discrimination!

Ah Rosiin, I know Quality hotels are popping up all over the place but I don't think they have enough room for 130 million Nigerians.

Maybe Hazel would volunteer to escort him home on the plane and be responsible for him and while she's there have a look around Nigeria for herself?

WHY WASENT HE DEPORTED BACK TO NIGERIA IMMEDITALY
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS SOFT TOUCH OF A COUNTRY OF OURS