Out with the old, in with the new(ish)

Have a look at the two photos below and they can tell a tale or two…

Work underway on the redevelopment at Thomond Park:

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and the second:

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Kranks Korner, Catherine Street..

One institution is being rebuilt from the ground up, while the other is for sale, a tale of two institutitions of Limerick gone in opposite directions, a sign perhaps of what happens when the local touch is replaced by bigger business.

Rugby has deep roots in Limerick as all know and Fortress Thomond holds a special place and a special bond in the heart of not only Limerick people, but those of Munster, much of Ireland and from far away fields also. There was much rejoicing when the decision was made to redevelop on the original site of Thomond Park and then some trepidation when it was thought that the stadium naming rights were put up for sale to help pay towards the redevelopment. Such is the way of modern life and the need for money in modern sport that most people thought that it was a done deal that the name Thomond Park would be confined to history… at least thats what the business folk thought!

When Arsenal relocated from Highbury to a new stadium less than a mile away there was a certain amount of dismay when it was revealed that the naming rights of the stadium were to be sold. What was to be Ashbourton Grove Stadium has morphed into the Emirates stadium, courtesy of 100 million stg from the Far East airline for the naming rights to the stadium for ten years and at this stage only the purists are still upset over it. When one sees the stadium in the flesh it is easy to see why. Arsenal make the same money from selling ten thousand hospitality seats as they used to from a full house of 38,000 at the old Highbury. They have the bonus of selling another 50,000 tickets or the public at the Emirates stadium and as a result are now in the top ten highest earning football clubs in the world.

When the Munster branch announced they were going to try sell the naming rights for the new stadium, the masses revolted. The difference being that the masses who cherish the home of Munster rugby are all of the one breed, from those on the dole to those earning the big bucks. Fans and players alike are deeply aware and respectful of tradition. Someone once said that Rugby is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen and soccer is a game for gentlemen played by hooligans.

When one looks at the like of Joey Barton and his ilk, highly paid so called professional football players who think they are the dogs undercarriage and can do whatever bits of hooliganism they like wherever they want and get away with it, they only bring the differences between the two sports into sharper focus. While it may happen now and again, you rarely hear of any professional rugby players getting involved in trouble off the pitch and the vast majority of them are approachable and friendly and will mix with all types, not locked away in the vip section of some nightclub. While the professional rugby player gets only a small fraction of what many of the pampered players of the premier league in England get, they are still in touch with the common fan. Not many rugby players would be allowed get a big head – they wouldn’t get way with it!

Common sense has prevailed and the Munster branch have realised that while they could doubtless get good money for the naming rights to the new stadium it would never be known or accepted as eg Toyota Park. They have decided to get money from naming rights to the two main stands which will bring in revenue but Thomond Park will remain in place and in name… hard nosed business and the will of the common man (and woman). It’s not often the hard nosed boys lose out, but in this instance, all will win. The newly developed stadium will host its first international in November and there are hopes to bring some team from the southern hemisphere that play in black shirts to come pay a visit. Rumour has it they played here some 30 years ago and things didn’t go well. Isn’t it good to see that some things don’t change? (Not many teams of note have come to Thomond Park and won!)

Which indirectly bring me on to what used to be another institution for those of a certain age in town, that of Kranks Korner. Those of us who invested heavily in fast foods (i.e. ate way to our hearts content and now have the stomachs to show for it) have many fond memories of Kranks Korner which up until a few years ago was in local hands and ran well. Now it is up for sale, a sad decline for what used to be the best fast food premises in town.

Many of you young readers won’t remember when Kranks was only a small tiny version of what it was in recent times but in the good old days of the 80’s before the likes of McDonalds and even Supermacs came to town, Kranks was a small corner chipper ran by locals who knew their business and did the best burgers in town. A “club and chip” was the staple diet of many a Limerick person who used frequent its doors. While its chips were never world class, they were ok (you could always sneak down to the O Connell grill for the real thing), the club burgers and indeed any other burgers were in a class of their own and were the best in town, indeed if legend be believed in the West of Ireland, if not the known universe!

Progress being progress, the decision was made to expand, probably in the knowledge that the bigger franchises were coming and the premises lost most of its old charm, but still did a roaring trade as customer loyalty was strong! Some years ago the original owners sold up and the premises were bought by the chain called Wimpy. Being run by big business, the local connection was broken and sometimes decisions made from far away fields affect how an individual premises can trade in a local market.

Kranks closed its doors a few weeks ago and is now up for sale, a sign perhaps that when run locally a premises can prosper but when the local touch is lost, the customer may also leave. People can be fickle but when the quality isn’t the same, they shouldn’t feel obliged to accept any old muck! If Kranks were still in local hands it is doubtful that the for sale sign would be in the window!! Somehow the local fan is unlikely to leave Fortress Thomond, and soon it will be a lot bigger and many more can experience the joy and the bond that exists between crowd and team. Yes, there will doubtless be many of the prawn sandwich brigade there also, but sure let them off—they are paying through the nose for it, while the knowledgeable ones are in the front row baying for opposition blood.

Munster rugby and Limerick will have a brand new stadium to be proud of in eight months time. The red army will roar even louder. Sometimes progress doesn’t mean that tradition gets lost along the way.

Long live tradition!

  • Bill
    Jeez! Luimenach must be rockin'!!!
  • Bill-stralia
    Apols must be a time delay thing!!
  • Bill-'stralia
    'Stix' next door did a bloody fine burger! if ya were'nt too pissed to get in!!!
  • John Coughlan - Canada
    What can I say ? Durty Dicks ..................aka The Treaty Cafe was the best of them all !!!
  • Bill
    Good one Munster! what a trip down memory lane!!! remember all dem places, great times, a 'kebabulation' at friartucks (g'day Tom!) was to die for after a feed of guiness, a blue at the taxi place then off home! great bands eg. razzmatazz, the o malleys, 16 tons of ****, toucandance, etc etc, left in '87 but have most excellent memories of the 'golden age' of pub bands etc, G'day marlo, hesh and de boyz! keep this blog goin! theres still Kilkee, Lahinch, and all that goes with it!!!
    Later.
  • Dan
    This 'rebranding' has happened in New Zealand.
    Lancaster Park was for years the proud home of Canterbury Cricket and Rugby with sponsors having naming rights on the stands. The stadium was renamed as Jade Stadium in 1998 and then AMI Stadium in 2007. The Stadium has been rebuilt during both of these periods and is still being extended. It is fair to say that without sponsors naming rights the improvements would have taken alot longer to achieve.
    The interesting thing is that i think it is still technically called Lanacster Park and that AMI Stadium is on it. The older generations still refer to it as Lancaster Park and the younger call it AMI. This could be one way for Munstonians to have their Thomand Park and sell it too.
  • Arnie Pie
    Go way outta that trying to disguise your age they didnt call you showband shan for nothing. Show us your moves haha
  • Northsidelass
    I think you are right Shan, ha
  • shan
    Think that was Mc Knights.... ye were all probably settling down around that time the memories are get hazy. That or Hoof's legendary pub crawls fried a few brain cells too many ha.
  • Northsidelass
    Buzz club, was that just a few doors up from the Old Tom?
  • Hoof
    Shan. Don't ask me how but we did it, not entirely vertical esp. after Donkeys chips (always blame the chips) though!

    Hazel. Must have hung around at the same time, remember that Cockney fella in the Olde Tom. Anyone calling 3 Guinness and he'd shout out "Free points of Noigerian Laaagaah". Close Encounters in the Parkway then they tried to upmarket to The New Yorker, that place was forever trying a new name or gimmick to get the punters in.

    Henry Cecil, that was the one I was trying to think of yesterday.

    Shannon Arms, remember they were flogging off the cheap beer and it was nicknamed The Pound Shop, packed every evening all stocking up on the bargains before hitting town! Niteclub there was a hole.
  • Arse_over_tits
    Buzz club on the top of Thomas Street anyone?...that was the downstairs part...but i cant remember what the actaul bar was called...was a great spot in its day.
  • Northsidelass
    I remember the old Bill Bourkes but don't recall the golf course. Everyone had their own seat and god help you if you sat on it and if you so much as made a sound while someone was singing, you would nearly be thrown out.
  • Northsidelass
    Hazel.......Rubys, now thats going back. It was over 23's wasn't it and back then that was soooooo old. I had to put about 3 layers of makeup on to get in. I only got into the pink elephant once. I use to practically live in the malibu and from there down to the basement.
  • shan
    Arnie,
    I'm having trouble figuring out all the 70's and 80's hot spots never mind joining you out in the Jetland before i was born. Did you used to swing some tacky out there ha
  • Shannaboley
    Frazers was the best after a match! although looking back I dont know how we did'nt all get black lung with the amount of smoke in there.Shannon and bos clubs werent bad either but you needed a parent to get it. Do you remember you could golf at the back of bill bourkes? in my memory it was huge golf course although it was probularly the size of a small garden.
  • Arnie Pie
    Shan they must not have been that bad they worked on you if I recall ;) You were showing me all the moves. You mastered your craft back in the showband days in the Jetland right ha
  • shan
    Arnie Pie, I think I remember your lame chat up lines from Strictly ha ...
  • hazel
    northside lass do you rember rubys in the cruisis hotel or close encounters in the park way
    also ive never been but i heard great reports about a sunday afternoon disco in johns pavillion
  • hazel
    shanaboley do you think we should all set up some sort of a blog that could be on going on this site called memories of limerick that woul be brilliant for us who are away like yourself
    my memories of the pink are crystal clear can even remember the bouncers on the door remember the photos of charlie chaplin and marlyn monroe beside the doors of the loos
  • shan
    Jasus Hoof your some man for a pub crawl, the stamina to stay vertical after all that !!!
  • hazel
    the henry cecil was the name of the pub opposite the gpo
    do ye remember the old tom on thomas street where there was a cockney fella servin behind the bar
    hello darlin he used to say haha
    was the alicadoo where mickey martins is now
    do any of ye remember the shannon arms on henry street
    do ye remember the cecil hotel which in later years became the malibu and then the globe
  • shan
    Hoof think it was The Henry Cecil but i dont recall a name before that ha
    think i might have been very underage then hehe
  • Northsidelass
    Shanaboley, remember Frazers on the corner in Thomondgate, that was actually a good spot especially after a match.
  • Hoof
    Alacadoo...Was it up near Buddy's on Foxes Bow? or where Mickey Martins is (once The Goalpost/Green Door?)

    Shan, that big bar on Henry Street.....opposite the GPO, old mill building that has been knocked since....going nuts trying to think of the name so I'll have to put it to the Barstool Council later, if no one gets the name I'll put it up here tomorrow, one of those geniuses will have the name. Bit of a dodgy history to the place in its latter days iirc.

    Remember those days coming in from Thomond Park doing "The Stations of the Cross"....every pub (you could) in Thomondgate, Nicholas St., Broad St....(unless you cheated and went in by the Curragour and city centre!) and as a Munsters man we still had Rashers and the Yellow Road Pubs to face! No wonder 5B had a waiting list in the rugby season.

    Our stops were - after a match, Frazers - Hogans/Carrolls - North Star - Bowles - Katie Daly's - Cauldron (or sometimes The Rock) - Dick Devane's - Quilligan's - Mick Crowes - The Bell - Frawley's - pitstop at Donkeys - Rashers - Mahers - St. George's - Austin's and/or The Haven - then oblivion or a taxi to The Club if it was still open! Good thing we weren't fond of it. Bring back the Senior Cup at April.

    I think Thomondgate has only 5 pubs now btw, Kinsellas, Bill Bourkes, Whelans on the New Road with Quiltys and Bowles on the usual way in. Lot of them gone.
  • Arnie Pie
    What about the Temple of Sound....ahhhh thems were the days....or Strictly Rhythm in the Savoy.
  • 1980
    anyone (young) remember not so long ago cheers and the dog house? the dog house was the best disco bar "bar" none i think
  • Shannaboley
    off Thomas street in a back lane? it really was a dive most people only went there because it was underage friendly.No one did the John Travolta walk as well as the Daly's from top ballynanty.Ya the Granary was a great spot what was the big place that came in the late eighties to Henry street?
    Not to forget all the old mens pubs up and down thomondgate that were great to go to after a match, most of them would have a fire going great banter Taytos and a glass bottle of Coke or orange and an afternoon with your dad priceless! All those places have gone I believe.
  • Hoof
    Some memories there.....Top floor at The Savoy, used to call it "The Hippies Ball" with the bands.....Bianco's "do you want a fight or a dance" club, jesus the chicken and chips in a basket with added salt to get you back to the bar and you'd still end up either in Kranks or the Kentucky with the false appetite. Only tried Dirty Dick's once and walked around with a lump of lard in my gut for a fortnight :-) Fernando's and Poldark's during the Travolta era and watching the imitators - hilarious. Greenhills - Club Marché, the height of mod and home of the shapers.

    Anyone remember The Granary used to be a great spot during the 80's. Quins Pub, Desmond Arms, Oyster and more - all hopping!! Sullivans in Thomas St - used be the first stop if I met a date in town - still dunno why there! Great pubs and clubs, good times. Noted someone remarked about the contrast in drinking habits. I remember if you got pissed too fast you were laughed at - now it's a race to get poleaxed as quickly as possible. Think I preferred it our way, at least if you got wasted you had some notion of where you were, but where did those diced carrots come from ?. Just looking at the names of places and how many are shut or changed completely now. Only Tom Collins and Nancy's have survived from those times imo.

    Ps: ye have me with the Alacadoo...where was that?
  • Shannaboley
    The alacadoo was really before everyones time it was lethal for serving underage if you had an older sibling at all you were in with them.There wasn't a hole lot of drinking went on just standing around nursing a half pint. No money and the dreaded breath test from the mother.
  • Northsidelass
    Ya Hazel, they were the days. I was only in Biancos once. We got stopped going into club marche so we went in there. The alacadoo was a bit before my time but that was my husbands haunt.
  • Shannaboley
    Buddies no my memory is shot lol just kidding, also underage at the alacadoo I should have been at home doing my school work.
  • Shannaboley
    Ballababe is correct! Thomond park is actually nestled into the corner of ballynanty anyone that lived on the shannaboley hill could get over the wall from there back yard or shannaboley avenue for that matter .

    When those flood lights go on full force it will be daylight on shannaboley road. Hassetts could be gold mine!
  • hazel
    mary dan that was alittle bit before my time as i was too young to get into nightclubs in 77 however i absolutely loved the era
    do you remember biancos in the glenthworth
    was the treaty cafe known as dirty dicks heard all about it
    times were so much safer and nicer then
  • hazel
    northside lass thet were the days alright
    remember the chicken and chips in the basket that you would have to que up for haha and rember the floor that lit up like the one in saturday night fever haha
  • hazel
    shanaboley im curious to know who you are haha
    wouldnt it be great to have a constant blog going of down memory lane in limerick
    look how much intrest this one blog has generated alone
    club marche was agreat oul spot with declan coupus and the radio BIG L roadshow
    do you remember the stardiscs top 10 show on bigL
    do you remember eastwoods nightclub over head the savoy and the band on the top floor and heres another one to jog the oul memory
    BUDDYS BAR in foxes bow
  • Ballababe
    Donniedarko, obviously your from that side of town because, you forgot that Thomond park actually sits on the doorstep of ballynanty and Kileely too......
    They are actually the place people will see first!!!
    Come to think of it Ashbrooke is a long way off!!!
  • Mary Dan
    What about Fernando's in the George at the height of "Saturday Night Fever" time. All the John Travolta's were hilarious. Then off to the Treaty Cafe in Nicholas St. We had great immune systems in them days! It saddens me now to see young people just hell bent on drinking themselves to oblivion on a night out. They won't have any memories like we have
  • Shannaboley
    Do you guys still own the woodfield I sent some friends your way this year they had nothing but good things to say. The food was excellent great staff and location etc etc.
    I am always a bit nervous recommending places in limerick to americans I try to persuade them to spend the last couple of days in limerick instead of Clare.
  • Austin & Jackie
    We have really enjoyed reading about Kranks, thanks for the memories and the comments, both good and bad, we had a great time coming up with the ideas for the burgers etc.. and they were great years in the 80's and 90's. We miss it too, I often wondered what happened the flower pots on the window ledges, now I know that the window ledges had a better function!!
  • donniedarko
    Can't wait to see a world class stadium at our doorsteps(well anyone living in Clareview, North circular, Ashbrook direction).
    I guess Kranks going is just a sign of the times just like the Davin closing.
  • Arse_over_tits
    Thank god Kranks is gone!!..I remember it when it was the smaller setup....there was a sign on the wall in tiny writing behind the counter and if you could read what it said they would give you a free bag of chips!!...once it expanded it went way downhill IMO, chips in there were yellow!!..Still ended up in there a few times, but never sober!
  • shan
    The Munster Branch has big food bills. Sponsorship i guess only goes so far.
  • Arnie Pie
    And nor do I disagree with you shan. Thats why I said it will always be known as Thomond and no amount of money will change that. But hey we all gotta put food on the table even the Munster Branch ;)
  • shan
    Do'nt disagree with you there Arnie Pie.
  • Arnie Pie
    "Thomand Park should never even be allowed the suggestion that it should be renamed for any amount of money"

    But shan the real and more knowledgeable fans would always refer to it as Thomond anyway. Where do you think the extra revenue will come from to finance this project. I will tell you in ticket prices and other merchandise. So for that reason alone most in the know were hoping the branch got their 15 million. Not to mention keeping our current stars at the club with the threat of the big spenders in France and England trying to lure them over with lucrative offers always there. We also need to sign new talent when the opportunity arises and that doesnt come cheap.

    As it happens some bright spark came up a plan B to name the stands individually which happened to gernerate almost as much revenue as originally sought. So the cash flow isnt an issue for now but it was of serious concern initially when the sponsers were not lining up with there check books.

    See this is a business behind the scenes and thats why we are getting one of the best rugby stadiums in Europe.
  • BockTheRobber
    Kranks was a fairly recent low-quality building of the sort permitted by the Corporation in those days (and possibly still encouraged). It replaced a fine old house and shop that previously existed on the site and it became a magnet for drunken troublemakers on their way out of town.
  • Shannaboley
    I often felt the same about curry chips I would be licking the spork until every last drop was gone!
  • I remember having the Super-Frank (it had an egg on top) Burger and it was the most fantastic food experience ever. There may have been other factors involved in that overall experience.
  • shan
    I'd say Arnie you'd remember surely if you did ...
  • Shannaboley
    Magnums That was a hoping spot too you would go in on a sunday morning and never come out, My sisters went to club marche so i wasn't to go anywhere near there or I would be killed haha, no Hazel I am in america, met a yank in magnums lol just kidding. Indeed I went to close encounter but poldarks was my side of town so you would find someone to share a cab with Everytime i ate that mexican burger I puked my guts out, I still kept eating it though.Jesus I remember passing the Balla green by hassetts on a summers night and dreading the grief youd get off the lads for what you were or were not wearing.The walk into town, I still walk all over when I go home.
  • Arnie Pie
    Ya Northsidelass your not wrong there with them Mexican burgers sure we probably bumped into each other in the queue hehe.....
  • Northsidelass
    Just remembered the Mexican burger from Kranks, wow what a burger.
  • Northsidelass
    Hazel and Shannabooley, I think i belong to your era as well. Remember Club Marche in the Greenhills .
  • hazel
    dont remember that but do remember the break dancers who used to preform in the bar attached on to the pink called studio 55
    we should get an oul blog going on memories of the past in limerick haha
    am currently considering writing a book so all this is great to jog the oul memories
    are you still in limerick
  • hazel
    be jaysus shanaboley i wonder indeed did our paths cross haha
    the pink was ahaunt of mine
    didint go to poldarks though
    i used to go to close encounters in the parkway and then it was renamed the new yorker
    i celebrated my 21st out there so that will give u an idea how old i am hahah
    do you remember the oyster of asunday night afyer a mad session that afternoon in magnums which was in the limerick ryan hotel
  • hazel
    do they still do the famous garlic chips
    do any of ye remember friar tucks
    they did ageorgeus kebab
  • Shannaboley
    Hazel do you remember Duke Hs dance routine slash strip act God those were gas times.
  • Shannaboley
    Hazel, the pink elephant hmm interesting I lived in that place for a couple of years! the olde tom the glen tavern poldarks etc etc . I bet we were around the same time .Kranks was great drinking food when you got in there late at night though and had a good look we all looked wrecked gone was the glam of the evening.
  • shan
    Doner kebabs in friar tucks, lads killing each other on the road....double bacon burger and garlic chips with cheese giving loads of chat up lines on the windowsill of kranks ...Friar tucks kept you slim and go to Kranks you got lucky ha way to work of the excess calories ....and Thomand Park should never even be allowed the suggestion that it should be renamed for any amount of money! There's takeaways and memories and then there's institutions .
  • skyguy
    thw Lobster pot is now called "NEW YORK PIZZA"
  • mushy
    I think the Lobster Pot has a new name.Can't remember what it is though.
  • Squid
    To answer two questions. The O'Connell Grill is still there, and it is still pretty much a bargen, especially for the large chips.

    The Lobster Pot is still open also, although their chips are not as nice as they were in years gone by.
  • tiny'stears
    I remember the old chipper well their chili burger was to die for but when it came to messey chips you couldn't beat friar tucks for a salad chip.have to say was in Kranks a couple of weeks ago when last in Limerick and was dissapointed maybe it was because it was 1 pm not the 1 am of my youth and 3 sheets to the wind. Is the lobster pot still any good. Come on Munster!!!!!
  • hazel
    you reminded me also in that blog of the o connel grill
    is that still there
    i rember they did a georgeus cod and chips and their battered sasauges were to die for
    that was next door to crusis hotel and tots to teens shop which is now cruises street
    there is asuper photo in one of the editions of the book of photos of limerick by sean curtain of the o connel grill which was then called cafe capri
  • hazel
    love the pics
    but ah thats sad to see kranks corner go
    i do indeed remember many adrunken night ending up in there for that famous club burger and garlic chips with the cheese
    it was a great little place and ideal as the taxi rank was just outside the door
    i also remember it as a tiny little corner chipper that would have been around the late 80s early 90s the good oul days of the pink elephant haha does any one remember that place
  • Arnie Pie
    "Common sense has prevailed and the Munster branch have realised that while they could doubtless get good money for the naming rights to the new stadium it would never be known or accepted as eg Toyota Park"

    Correction, they failed to get anywhere near the money they were asking for.
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