Offering perks to the media won’t make them say nice things about Limerick

Whilst travelling today I caught a brief news report about a member of Limerick Chamber of Commerse offering an invitation to national media editors to stay in Limerick for the weekend so that they will get “a different perspective” of Limerick.

It would be my belief that this would not work.

The cancer that is the “stab city” moniker that Limerick has, and it’s rep for being a bit of a shithole is not so much being spread by the media as much as it once was. You might get some ingoramus comment from the likes of Brendan O’Connor of the Sunday Independent or an off the cuff remark about Thomond Park being a knifes throw from the city centre, but of late, the media has been for the most part factual in it’s reporting of Limerick City.

Where I see the problem more nowadays is in personal blogs and holiday journals, and were it not for these types of online media, it would probably go un-noticed.

More and more often one can find some travel journal where in international visitor to the country is told by the driver of a private bus company, or even Bus Eireann, that Limerick is known as “Stab City.” There are also those that would hear the slur from hotel receptionists and other representatives in the tourist industry who, should in all honesty, be more professional.

Exhibit A

Limerick Ireland, well we found out that this place was a not so safe place, and I didn’t want to scare any of you, but the nickname for this place known by almost everyone as “Stab City”. So we actually ended up cutting our trip there a day short,

So this tourist cut their trip to Limerick a day short because the citizenry of this country felt the need to bad-mouth the city.

Exhibit B

So we left early Saturday and drove to Killarney via Limerick (aka “Stab City”). We had lunch there, then drove the 1st half of the Ring of Kerry to Portmagee (photos still to come), finding Ballycarbery Castle on the way.

Using blogsearch on google will pull up loads more examples of tourists being told by native Irish as well as professionals whose job it is to promote the country badmouthing the city. Give it a try.

So rather than wining and dining newspaper editors who will take what they can get and continue doing what they are doing there needs to be a different approach.

A campaign needs to be set up to name and shame any tourist professional, be it a state owned or private enterprise, who allows it’s employees to smear the city. These could be identified by way of making private contact with those who write these blog posts. Once the offending organisations are known, they could be contacted and given an opportunity to respond. If the response is unsatisfactory, they would be “outed.”

With regard to newspapers, be they local, national or international, or even magazines that use the slur, these two could be identified and asked for a response.

Were someone like the Limerick Co-Ordination office to set up such a campaign, they would be able to get interested parties to pool their resources. Surely the likes of Limerick Leader, Limerick Post, Limerick Independent, Live 95FM with their researchers and numerous readers and listeners would be able to submit examples of smears being used in both regional papers around the country as well as national papers.

The US based website, Media Matters for America, has been doing a great job of presenting inaccuracies in the US media from the right-wing broadcasters and publications in that country. Something on a similar line could be done for Limerick. There would be not too many companies willing to be associated with negativity.

Pleasuring the media hacks of the likes of the Independent or the Times will accomplish bugger all. “Please don’t write bad things about us” won’t work. “Write smears about us and we will embarras you” would work better.

  • michael
    Your post is quite good, I agree with some points being from Limerick myself, I have traveled alot in my time and I have to be honest ,Limerick is an average city at best and it has serious issues to address , now we can talk about galway and dublin being worse true or not limerick has a bad name because it deserves it I lived in nyc for years and I felt safer there. There are people in a city with a tiny population with grenades , automatic weapons you name it they seem to have it. The people running the city are not doing enough , I like the idea of the naming and shaming of people but do this to the politicans of the city the promise so much and dont deliver , they build hotels every month but what about the kids , to play soccer in the university it costs 50 euro an hour or basketball, in france they have playing areas on the streets free of charge we have nothing like this ,they are finally building a skate park and they'll probably charge for that too. Stop going after the media spend time going after the politicians ,they dont do enough .Its there job to run the city , and as for the limerick leader the chronicle these papers are bias and are constantly trying to make limerick like its this amazing vibrant city which it is so far from, all of you who defend it do, ye have this arrogant opinion that limerick is great and in some respects frank mcourt is right in saying the people are snobs, these are some of the reasons the tabloids report limerick the way they do , they know it will sell copies. Respect the fact that this city has serious issues to address and stop claiming it to be a city of culture and greatness because it is far from it, be honest if you are a person who has little interest in pubs and clubs or drugs , Limerick does'nt offer a whole lot ,I mean the standard of restaurants here is appaling ,its the only place on the planet where an italian restaurant serves chips!
    So just ignore the tabloids and hassle your local politician the next time he calls to your door or name and shame them about the broken promises over the years the limerick leader never reports any of that, and as for Brendan O Connor the Irish Independent Reporter well I once watched him stumble down grafton street fall to his knees and vomit pretty much all over himself, not exactly a man of greatness nor a man who's words should offend anyone.
    thanks mich
  • boshgo
    whats with all the comment nazis today? sheeesh. And yes shamnbooley, it was satire, well done. but it wasnt satire for the sake of it but rather to counteract all the rose tinted nonsense from some people here.
    Fact: Limerick has some severe socail and crime problems which are not being addressed, pretending theyre not there or dismissing their impact wont actually help.

    for what its worth shannbogley, i simply made referernce to the numberous fatal and non-fatal assaults, stabbings, gun and grenade attacks, petrol bombing of houses and children, foreigners being set on fire, families being forced out of their houses by (well known) thugs, hard drugs be pushed on very young teens and other serious crime incidents in limerick, all in the recent past and some occuring all the time.

    starkie, what problem have you got with freedom of speech or perhaps you think it should be limited to those who only say things you agree with, yeah? is this so, comrade starkie?
  • starkie
    i am amazed that squid allowed it; its not worthy of further comment. but im disapointed with squid. and please dont say freedom of speech.
  • shannaboley.
    satire! humor! thats really in poor taste.
  • boshgo

    zzzzzzzzz Says:

    ive only got a few friends who were stabbed in limerick, both with broken bottles, and only one of them died as a result. THo i do have a friend who lost an eye ater beng struck with a full and unbroken bottle. I really dont know what all the fuss is about.


    i know, alot of fuss about notin, with all the shootings and stabings and grenade attacks around the city only a few ppl have actually died. Even the people getting burned out of their houses in south hill, sure they didnt get it too bad. And in fairness there was alot of noise made about those two kids getting burned when their mothers car was petrol bombed last year in moyross but like it coulda been worse like. I myself have only been assaulted a few times and even tho twas for no reason i didnt complain too much, shur i was out of hospital ina few hours.
    I think people blow all this stuff out of porportion to be honest.
  • Bill
    I hadn't heard the term "Stab City" before my first time visit to Limerick in the early 90's. Possibly that's because it was before I discovered the Internet and/or before Google was even born. That was the best vacation I've ever had. I made my Royal George Hotel reservation after finding their listing in an actual tour book and then calling long distance from California. After booking my room, I asked the hotel receptionist if she might know of a local Limerick person who would like to act as my guide, for pay of course. She arranged the whole thing and then even wound up driving up to County Galway with us for a day of checking out my Irish roots (Kane). The people in the hotel were terrific although I could have used a room as far away as possible from the night club in the same building. I was treated to an audience with the president of the university, managers of this and that, the reigning Rose of Tralee (from Limerick that year) and even met with the mayor on my last full day before returning home. "Yer Man" even had to go to a funeral (wake?) one evening and I went with him for a great time. Aside from a few Tinkers who were more interesting than troublesome, I had no run-ins with the dregs, which every city has by the way, just like rats. "Stab City"??? Have prospective tourists talk to me!
  • shannaboley.
    He was a big guy he could quiten shannaboley road with a roar! but he had an excellent sense of humor.I think I may have paled with your sister we had a flashlight thing going on at one time.
  • starkie
    yes shanabooly. their certainly was great humour around in the past but it has gone. but that seems to be allover ireland. its the one thing that keeps me sane. having a good sense of humour. i can also find a bit of hunmour i9n some of the negative things said about estates. example i met a lady from the ennis road recently and she told me that her mother used to call her two dogs the ballynanty terriers. one cant take every remark to heart. but i do know when its sarcastic. i think i know you shanabooly. does red hair mean anything to you. of corse i wouldnt know you well but i think i remember your father. corner ouse or next one big man he was.
  • shannaboley.
    Sorry screwed up there, What starkie is talking about is the condesending tone you get when you say you are from one of these areas.I got it my whole young life, the are you really from Ballynanty? oh did you go to the salesians? no! was your mother very strict? usually comes next she was!

    Limerick has fantastic salt of the earth working class people, I send yanks there regularly and they never come back with horror stories just humor!
    It has a pallet full of history and an unmatchable river.

    The new generation of scum bags are in a different league altogether, someone needs to tell the crowd in the island that tupac is dead.
  • shannaboley.
    111
  • seansabhat
    but, but according to Willie O'Dea (blessing myself!) Limericks problems are due to only a HANDFULL of criminals and that the the vast majority (of Limerick people are decent law abiding .....blah blah blah...
    I'm born and living in Limerick 35 years and I know we have a s~*t load of scumbags living in this city. Mothers, fathers, sons and daughter scumbags. Thats the reality.
  • Pat
    me Says:......."Galway has a huge propertion of reported sex crimes"

    Where is your evidence for this?
  • Fluffy
    Ya know what will solve this problem...when the crime wave stops. If they keep feckin' killing each other we'll all screwed. Good post by rr by the way
  • Mikey
    Sort out Limericks problems and the reputation will follow. You can list off any number of stats but the fact is I always feel there's a rotten atmosphere in Limerick just bubbling under the surface.. its a small city the "bad areas" do leak into the city centre a lot
  • me
    If you have connection with the feud you have something to fear, if not it's the same as anywhere else. It was these scumbags family members who started the name (when their crimes were reported in the 80's) Drug dealing scum is all they are.

    Galway has a huge propertion of reported sex crimes, by your logic we shouldn't go there either.
  • starkie
    yes topper.
    i am pissed. to rosin. dont suck up to people in moyross and southill. very nice people you say. well they are mot very nice people. they are the same as people everywhere. good bad and ugly. they dont fall for that crap either. i know a lot of people in these areas and they tell me that when somone asks them where are they from. they all say oh, theres lovely people living in those areas. it pisses them off. because theres a question masrk there. worse than that are the people who left these astates, they go oh i loved it there, well why did they leave then i bet they wouldnt eturn . crap
  • Ronin
    I think limerick is an amazing city,and it is such a tragedy that the few reports of criminal acts that occur become inflated out of proportion.I have walked just about everywhere in limerick including southill and moyross areas and never had any trouble from anyone,in fact I met some very sound people in those same areas.But if a crime gets reproted in say Dublin,it just sort of gets fobbed off,but the exact same crime happens in Limerick then it's a warzone or some other rubbish.And while the media initaly gave Limerick a stigma as being the so-called stab city,today it's mostly travel and tourist blogs believing that whole image without really seeing for themselves what Limerick has to offer.Concerning statistics the reporting includes those that were reported and they inflate the numbers to sort of cover the ones that were probably not reported,no matter if they actually occurred or not,but they leave themselves that margin of error.So to say that it's accurate is foolish.
  • topper
    Starkie, whats with all the mistakes. Are you drunk?
  • starkie
    what tourists like to see is beggars. travellors . drunks. a couple of fights. taxi drivers who try to rip them off. a guard leaning agaibst a pole chatting to his friends dogs roaming wild on the streets. kitter thrown around. so they will see all tyhese things in limerick. they are only lucky if they are not attacked. and of course the bus eiriann. coach driver. whoo takes them to the dearest shops. brown thomas ecta. commision , yoyu see. but i will see all these things if i go to new york.
  • zzzzzzzzz
    ive only got a few friends who were stabbed in limerick, both with broken bottles, and only one of them died as a result. THo i do have a friend who lost an eye ater beng struck with a full and unbroken bottle. I really dont know what all the fuss is about.
  • tom
    where do you want to send them to see a nice limerick? Hunt Museum with the boarded up and almost derelict houses of Patrick Street? Coming from Sarsfield Bridge going into town? Almost a whole street with empty shops and "retails units to let" signs opposite Roches? William Street - the gem of Limericks streets? Going out on a Saturday night and walk down an O'Connell street that looks like a dump? St. Johns Castle with Nicholas Street - one ugly piece of crap?

    Good luck then!
  • John
    @ Patrick..

    johnones comment is that they are not reported to the Gardai so they would not show up in that report would they?
  • johnone
    Patrick, no exaggeration. The above CSO is reported crime. I am sure a lot of contributors to this site know people who have been attacked and do not report the crime.
  • Mitchell
    Johnone, thats rubbish, walk off one of the streets and we will get attacked or robbed, I;ve been going in and out of the city centre and surrounding areas for the past 18 years without any hassle, they way you put it

    ''hey will be attacked and robbed''

    makes it sound like its a certainty which is a load of crap.
  • olcan
    I really wouldn't be quoting the statistics from that document as it shows that the Limerick Garda Division (covering the city and county) has crime rates way ahead of those for other urban centres particularly Cork, Waterford and Galway. Look at the stats for 2006 for gun crime, murder, burglary, robbery of the person. Nearly all catagories of violent crime. Remember also that the Limerick stats include the city and county when comparing them with purely urban garda divisions.
  • rr
    I agree with johnone. To be fair a website highlighting inaccuracies reported by the media will have little or no effect. Firstly you have to get people to the website and unless there is money behind it , thats not going to happen especially outside Limerick. Secondly most people accept what they are told by the media as reality and most people wont bother their arse looking for a website to find out the reality. Thirdly, the reality is that the problem is that there IS a crime issue in this city, the reporting can be inaccurate but quite a lot of it is real and contrary to what people claim it is not always Moyross or Southill....for example the guy from Carlow who died in Cherryvale or whatever its called on the Dublin road.. The problems cannot be polished over or explained by inaccuracies in reporting .Aside from the crime issue, the city centre is filthy dirty, with the exception of the new pedestrianised areas, and it looks run down and dilipitated in spots. Some of the empty buildings like the beautiful Old Ormston House on Patrick Street are a disgracef at the moment with manky posters hanging off every window. These kind of things also need to change.
    The city has big problems and there is no denying that especially with a website highlighting inaccuracies...thats just nonsense. It needs to change from within first and whinging about unfair media coverage is a non starter anymore. Get over it.
    Limerick is a good city but pretending that its reputation is just because the Dublin meeja report it inaccurately should be stamped out now. There is a ,lot of good stuff that can be highlighted to the media and that is what I would assume the Chamber of Commerce want to do..that is to be commended imo. But a website telling people "its all lies, blame the media" will do nothing to help.

    If you want to do something for the city, get the city to clean up the litter, get them to stop people sticking posters all over empty buildings, get the cops to police the city centre properly and remove the winos' from around the train station area and stop all the gurriers hanging outside nice spots in town, like the entrance to Cruises Street by HMV. Get them to stop people with their piebalds and sulkies on the roads that anyone with a car needs tax and insurance to use. Crime is only one part of the puzzle that gives Limerick a bad name..websites will not change the reality..
  • @johnone

    "but if they venture of into one of the off streets they will be attacked and robbed"

    Gross exaggeration. See pages 33, 149, 169, 171 and 173 of http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/document....

    As a city, we badly need to do better - but these figures show that we're not grossly out of line with the rest of the country, either.
  • johnone
    Lets be honest, Limerick has deservedly got this name over the years. There has been some horrendous incidents in our small city and that is why it has such a bad name. Tourists more than likely will be ok in our city if they stay in the main areas eg. O'connell st. but if they venture of into one of the off streets they will be attacked and robbed. This is happening everyweek and is not been reported to the Gardai and I am sure that most readers from Limerick are aware of this.
  • {BATMAN}
    Nice Post...
    Totally agree with you...
    I was only brousing the web last week looking for trips from Lk to the Cliff of Moher.. only not to be stunned again by our fellow countrymen & women.
    Where one tourist asked where is the best place to stay & travel from to get to the Cliffs.. only to be left a comment by a Galway Lady..
    Saying how bad Limerick was & it has a bad reputation.. so she heard..
    But visit Galway, we have a lot more to offer...
    .. Yeah come to Galway.. where we think we are an extension of Dublin..
    Visit our Spanish Arch.. only to be disappointed that it's not the Arc de Triump... or our Eyre's Square.. It's no Travalgar Square or Central Park...

    Glad for your comment came the reply from the tourist & I'll take your advise..
    This happens alot on the some of the Blogs too..
  • Good post. As it happens, I was speaking today with a Canadian who just returned from a trip to Ireland. Her experience was that Munster was the most beautiful part of Ireland (especially Killaloe), and she mentioned that Limerick was her favourite city. So all is not lost.
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