Comments on: Why We Voted Yes! http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes Latest happenings from Limerick City and County Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:47:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Hoof http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54858 Hoof Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:13:51 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54858 Just noticed the French "Defence Master Plan" which Libertas were claiming would create an "EU Army" and was being kept in wraps, á la the great conspiracy theory lying in the Élyseés Palace, has been released. Main points: Cut of 59,000 Defence jobs Cut from 271,000 to 224,000 in French Armed Forces - Army, Navy & Air Increased resources to fight Terror, Pandemics and Cyber-attacks Cut in Combat ready forces from 50,000 to 30,000 Closure of 50 French Military Bases, including 4 in Africa. .....really shaping up for a war alright, aren't they? No wonder they were going to come around to snatch the first-born child off every Irish family (Cóir told me, now I have to believe them or I go to the other hell, the one with Dana in it) for the conscript army, half the French soldiers are going to be surly bar workers so naturally we'll need Irish toddlers to fight the...the....who were we going to be fighting btw, the Cathofascists wouldn't say ? Just a note of congrats to Sinn Féin incidentally, the 32 county party can be happier now in the knowledge that the United Kingdom are to ratify Lisbon on Thursday. So 2nd Division Ireland will now have an even more copper-fastened border after the 26 others go into a room next January and sign of on the Prague Protocol or whatever the term for a 2-speed, 2 tier EU becomes. Ah well, as long as we don't have to dig up and give back the roads they gave us and go back to the potholes and priest ridden little country some seem happier with. btw, well said Keith, but the shite government and equally feeble opposition does have to take ultimate responsibility, it's not entirely up to you or anyone else to have made the argument for a Yes vote in a legible manner (mores the pity nonetheless) and then have the likes of Biffo or Lalou McCreevey going around saying they hadn't read the thing or couldn't make sense of it, then arrogantly expecting a landslide without having bothered to actively campaign (I never saw nor was canvassed by a Yes campaigner)....if Cowen had worked for Libertas he'd have been fired on the spot, those Yanks can spot a lazy git from way off. Incidentally, I hear the European Parliament are calling for Charlie McCreevey's head over his lacklustre performance and comments. Every cloud........even if it is a threadbare silver lining. Just noticed the French “Defence Master Plan” which Libertas were claiming would create an “EU Army” and was being kept in wraps, á la the great conspiracy theory lying in the Élyseés Palace, has been released.

Main points:
Cut of 59,000 Defence jobs
Cut from 271,000 to 224,000 in French Armed Forces – Army, Navy & Air
Increased resources to fight Terror, Pandemics and Cyber-attacks
Cut in Combat ready forces from 50,000 to 30,000
Closure of 50 French Military Bases, including 4 in Africa.

…..really shaping up for a war alright, aren’t they? No wonder they were going to come around to snatch the first-born child off every Irish family (Cóir told me, now I have to believe them or I go to the other hell, the one with Dana in it) for the conscript army, half the French soldiers are going to be surly bar workers so naturally we’ll need Irish toddlers to fight the…the….who were we going to be fighting btw, the Cathofascists wouldn’t say ?

Just a note of congrats to Sinn Féin incidentally, the 32 county party can be happier now in the knowledge that the United Kingdom are to ratify Lisbon on Thursday. So 2nd Division Ireland will now have an even more copper-fastened border after the 26 others go into a room next January and sign of on the Prague Protocol or whatever the term for a 2-speed, 2 tier EU becomes.

Ah well, as long as we don’t have to dig up and give back the roads they gave us and go back to the potholes and priest ridden little country some seem happier with.

btw, well said Keith, but the shite government and equally feeble opposition does have to take ultimate responsibility, it’s not entirely up to you or anyone else to have made the argument for a Yes vote in a legible manner (mores the pity nonetheless) and then have the likes of Biffo or Lalou McCreevey going around saying they hadn’t read the thing or couldn’t make sense of it, then arrogantly expecting a landslide without having bothered to actively campaign (I never saw nor was canvassed by a Yes campaigner)….if Cowen had worked for Libertas he’d have been fired on the spot, those Yanks can spot a lazy git from way off.

Incidentally, I hear the European Parliament are calling for Charlie McCreevey’s head over his lacklustre performance and comments. Every cloud……..even if it is a threadbare silver lining.

]]> By: Keith http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54809 Keith Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:18:17 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54809 There were also less only 6 member states in the EEC at the treaty of Rome, now there's 27 members EU, It just couldn't work today, and the legislation and protocols are buckling under the pressure of the fact that there's nearly 5 times the amount of countries that the original treaty was designed for. That was a core part of what the Lisbon and Nice Treaties were to address. There were also less only 6 member states in the EEC at the treaty of Rome, now there’s 27 members EU, It just couldn’t work today, and the legislation and protocols are buckling under the pressure of the fact that there’s nearly 5 times the amount of countries that the original treaty was designed for.

That was a core part of what the Lisbon and Nice Treaties were to address.

]]> By: The Maker http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54807 The Maker Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54807 All I will say on why I voted no is that we, as in Ireland are more European than France or Germany who blocked the Polish for entering when the borders were taken down so they could work in other EU countries. And they dare call us anti European. Bastards. The treaty is dead and they better get to like that. If our government rolls over and plays the fool for the EU and try's to make us vote on the treaty for a second time. It will be a hell of a bigger No for the treaty, that's a guarantee. Of course my other reason is we are integrated enough for my liking. We need to go back to the EEC, things were so more simpler then. All I will say on why I voted no is that we, as in Ireland are more European than France or Germany who blocked the Polish for entering when the borders were taken down so they could work in other EU countries.
And they dare call us anti European. Bastards. The treaty is dead and they better get to like that. If our government rolls over and plays the fool for the EU and try’s to make us vote on the treaty for a second time. It will be a hell of a bigger No for the treaty, that’s a guarantee.
Of course my other reason is we are integrated enough for my liking.
We need to go back to the EEC, things were so more simpler then.

]]> By: Keith http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54801 Keith Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:19:58 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54801 But the first seven points aren't valid, they've got nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the treaty (bar point 4). As for point 4, if the fianna fail, labour, fine gael and pd's were bullying us, then surely the sinn fein, coir, and libertas were bullying too, it's called campaigning, at least the yes camp didn't flat-out-lie to the people (as I have proved in the story that I wrote above). I don't defend the government, I think it's a fucking disgrace, and I've got no confidence in them, they used this campaign to get their nice, shiny white teeth on their posters, but it was our responsiblity to look after ourselves, and we failed to do that. But the first seven points aren’t valid, they’ve got nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the treaty (bar point 4).

As for point 4, if the fianna fail, labour, fine gael and pd’s were bullying us, then surely the sinn fein, coir, and libertas were bullying too, it’s called campaigning, at least the yes camp didn’t flat-out-lie to the people (as I have proved in the story that I wrote above).

I don’t defend the government, I think it’s a fucking disgrace, and I’ve got no confidence in them, they used this campaign to get their nice, shiny white teeth on their posters, but it was our responsiblity to look after ourselves, and we failed to do that.

]]> By: Rhebogue Ranter http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54796 Rhebogue Ranter Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:23:31 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54796 Clare vote yes so that kinda rules out the Shannon Heathrow Clare vote yes so that kinda rules out the Shannon Heathrow

]]> By: goo http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54792 goo Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:04:25 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54792 enda kenny played no small part in scuttling the lisbon ship either, lol. He stated during heated dail dabates that a vote against the Treaty would be a vote against Berties leadership and of course fianna fail. By the time this sentiment had rippled thru the grassroots and the implications realised, no amount of backpeddaling and pro euro posturing could undo the effect and its believed many FG voters saw the referendum as an opportunity to give the teflon taoiseach and his ruling party a good boot up the backside. Brian Cowen of course will bear the brunt of it as clever Bertie having bailed out in advance. The rat is always the first to leave a sinking ship and with the lisbon treaty on the rocks and the Irish economy talkin on water at an alarming rate, Cowen may yet regret ever talkin hold of the wheel. enda kenny played no small part in scuttling the lisbon ship either, lol. He stated during heated dail dabates that a vote against the Treaty would be a vote against Berties leadership and of course fianna fail. By the time this sentiment had rippled thru the grassroots and the implications realised, no amount of backpeddaling and pro euro posturing could undo the effect and its believed many FG voters saw the referendum as an opportunity to give the teflon taoiseach and his ruling party a good boot up the backside.

Brian Cowen of course will bear the brunt of it as clever Bertie having bailed out in advance. The rat is always the first to leave a sinking ship and with the lisbon treaty on the rocks and the Irish economy talkin on water at an alarming rate, Cowen may yet regret ever talkin hold of the wheel.

]]> By: skyguy http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54790 skyguy Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:39:17 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54790 I think a lot of things made people vote no, Ill name a few 1) not happy with Bertie saga. 2) not happy with Fiannia fail. 3) not happy with what happened with Heathrow v's Shannon route. 4) politicians trying to bully the people into voting yes. 5) People not happy with crime/Drugs and the government doing f*ck all about it . 6) the farming community are not happy with the rules of the EU. 7) the fishing community are not happy with the rules of the EU. 8)People didn't understand the Treaty. 9) People understood the treaty and voted no. now I know the first 7 are not good reasons to vote NO but they are valid reasons all the same, I think if there was another general election Fiania Fail would not get in and then if there was another referendum it would be passed I think a lot of things made people vote no, Ill name a few
1) not happy with Bertie saga.
2) not happy with Fiannia fail.
3) not happy with what happened with Heathrow v’s Shannon route.
4) politicians trying to bully the people into voting yes.
5) People not happy with crime/Drugs and the government doing f*ck all about it .
6) the farming community are not happy with the rules of the EU.
7) the fishing community are not happy with the rules of the EU.
8)People didn’t understand the Treaty.
9) People understood the treaty and voted no.

now I know the first 7 are not good reasons to vote NO but they are valid reasons all the same, I think if there was another general election Fiania Fail would not get in and then if there was another referendum it would be passed

]]> By: snoop dog http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54785 snoop dog Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:51:17 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54785 Excellent , now Michael Martin has to go and explain the whole thing i am delighted couldnt have happened to a nicer person. Excellent , now Michael Martin has to go and explain the whole thing i am delighted couldnt have happened to a nicer person.

]]> By: raggedtrousers http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54772 raggedtrousers Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:52:33 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54772 skyguy completely agree. didn't france and neatherlands vote no? isn't britian opting out in the euro currency? just because the governments of other countries are railroading this through, doesn't mean that's what the voters want. i didn't vote in our government and could not vote yes when they said they hadn't read it- come on cop on. skyguy completely agree. didn’t france and neatherlands vote no? isn’t britian opting out in the euro currency? just because the governments of other countries are railroading this through, doesn’t mean that’s what the voters want. i didn’t vote in our government and could not vote yes when they said they hadn’t read it- come on cop on.

]]> By: goo http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/06/why-we-voted-yes/comment-page-1#comment-54765 goo Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:38:05 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.org/blog/?p=5307#comment-54765 squid, your comment 'one or two nutjobs from stormont' is no doubt a cheap dig at sinn fein. Surely with an intelect such as yours, you can defend your position on the Lisbon treaty without quasi self-righteous posturing via cheap digs at easy targets just becasue theyre fashionably unpopular. The term nut job hardly relects the positive achievments and contributions SF have made over the past number of years in fairness, not to mention the adversity theyve come thru. While leaning towards (political) republicanism myself, Sinn Feins stance on lisbon had little bearing on my own 'no' vote, nor did youth defence, but i dont need to put them down in order to justify my 'more honorable' reasons for voting No. just a thought. squid, your comment ‘one or two nutjobs from stormont’ is no doubt a cheap dig at sinn fein. Surely with an intelect such as yours, you can defend your position on the Lisbon treaty without quasi self-righteous posturing via cheap digs at easy targets just becasue theyre fashionably unpopular. The term nut job hardly relects the positive achievments and contributions SF have made over the past number of years in fairness, not to mention the adversity theyve come thru.

While leaning towards (political) republicanism myself, Sinn Feins stance on lisbon had little bearing on my own ‘no’ vote, nor did youth defence, but i dont need to put them down in order to justify my ‘more honorable’ reasons for voting No.

just a thought.

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