Hell hath no fury

well said shanaboley and thats an excellent idea in the usa

Funky, I think Starkie means that prison rarely works as a rehabilitation for trouble youth,they in fact become more skilled at the trade of criminality and develope connections inside and out to far more seasoned criminals they are also horribly taken advantage of.Also they find themselves unemployable due to their record.The huge cost for tax payer would be the repeat offenders that usually are the results.The proof may be that the prisons are full of men that began their career in the penal system as youths.
I think a private boot camp paid for by the parents of the guest is an excellent idea, I can tell you Funky I have teenagers in america and if they dont show up for school and its not an excused absence as in sick or schedules doc appt etc.

First day I get a call from the school, day two a cop will come to my door to see if all is well with the kid and so on, third day I will get a truant ticket yes I will not the child get the ticket. I will then have to go to court and explain why I cant get my child into school. Then all kinds of child advocates and mental health specialist along with a community cop will be on my case and do you know if my kid is out past 10pm and is under 17 I get a call from the cop shop to come pick my child up, now if the child is working or attending a school event that is overlooked.I can have all this help parenting and thats exactly how I look at it as help, because it is. For the cost of 2,000. a year. Yes we pay for it, we call it a municiplity tax. We have all this available but yet our prisons are overflowing? go
figure!
All of it only works if the parents are willing and are not in the criminal element themselves unfortunately so many of the kids in trouble are unredeemable and prison will be the only solution there comes a time when you need to protect those on the outside that are law abiding citizens and dont need to walk around in fear of little fuckers running a muck. When I was a child if an adult put their foot in your arse and you went and told your dad he'd put his foot in your arse as well for blaggarding in the first place .

@Starkie
"the harsher prison the less effect it has plus the huge cost to taxpayers"
Can't say that I agree with this statement, it implies that if we make our prisons harsh than it would result in more crime. How ?, surely it would not.
How also would it result in a huge costs for taxpayers ?
You also say this has been "proven all over the world". I'd like to see those statistics.

that taxi was taken 2 weeks a go outside a chipshop taxi driver went i to get chips leaving passanger in side car came out and it was gone she drove it down garryowen and filped it three times with the passanger still inside four days later came back and took handbag of woman waiting for her chips in chipper gaurds never came to that one when called girl well know in garryowen

Parents who try to stop their children being anti socail will have recorded meetings with teachers, drug councilors, local community police, etc, If my children were behaving in that way I would try to involve as many local resources as possible, but I do agree hit the parents in the pocket they wouldnt be long kicking their little loves ass to the kerb,

funky do.
i can see where your coming from but prison alone doesnt work.
what i think is lacking is that nowadays when a young person commits an antisocial act they are not even confronted by a guard. so they dont have any fear. i think what would work is. shall we say a young chap damages your car. and cvauses 250 euros worth of damage to it well his parents shoould be made pay the cost or the young person should be made do some type of voluntary work for 6 months. or both. sending him into prison wont work. its ben proved, prison really is only for persistent offenders or very dangerous criminals. it has been proven all over the world. the harsher prison the less effect it hasplus the huge cost to taxpayers. of course the people who reall like to see the prisons full are the warders because they get massive overtime

john wayne
a do gooder is one of these people who always blame somebodys circumstances for their behaviour and try to make decent people try and understand the reasons behind why individuals chose to harm other people
insted of people like me who say to hell with that
you commit a crime you bloody pay for it

If we tackle the parents we need some simple way (not a big legal or DO GOODER process) for the parents who try but are failing to make an impact to show they have tried. These parents should not be treated like the ones who encourage or ignore the problems.

Thanks for all the support, with a few more people behind me I may even run for mayor.

But seriously, I think there should some form of system in place where first offenders and under-age offenders get a taste of harsh prison life. I don't mean the sit on your ass, three specially prepared meals a day, Sky TV, and all the cigarettes you can smoke hotel we have up in Mulgrave Street. I mean a real prison, a place so hard and soul crushing that once you leave you will never want to go back. Isn't that what a prison should be.

I know there are the "But that would violate their human rights" brigade who would detest such an idea, but I think that luxuries such as mentioned above are not rights but privileges.
I believe that all people have one inalienable human right, that being the right to life. Anything else is a privilege and they are privileges that we must earn in life. If a person is willing, through criminal activity, to negate the privileges of another, why should his privileges be respected?

Again I've gone on an off-topic rant... apologies.
The ides I'm trying to get across is that a few days in a harsh boot-camp or special detention center for first time young offenders could prevent a number of kids heading down the wrong road in life. And not forgetting my previous post, get the parents to pay the cost for the kid's time in these places.

And remember vote Funky-do for mayor.

Have to agree with you funky, I think its time to tackle the parents.

Well said, Funky-do.

I don't believe my story is an example of me taking the law into my own hands as some might imply, it is a case of self-preservation. I did not go looking for trouble, trouble found me. To some my actions may seem extreme, as at the time I lashed out the guy was defenseless. The way I see it is if somebody is going to pull a knife on me I'm automatically going to assume they are willing to use it on me. I'm also not going to wait for them to trust the knife at me before I react, I saw my opportunity and took it. I have no moral issues with my actions, I did it and would do it again in the same situation.

They are times when you don't have the benefit of a garda on hand, so are you supposed to "sit back" and let then rob, stab, or beat you.
Not me man...


With respect to the post at hand..
I believe that if a person is underage than their parents or guardian should be responsible for their actions.
I know there are some instances (like rapha) where the parents are good people and the child just rebels, but there are other instances where the parents don't give a damn. If these parents had to pay a fine, or do time, because of what their child did I'm sure that would take an interest in making sure the child does not step out of line again.

Your son may have been hard to deal with but you did it. There are parents who will not. Some encourage the behaviour. If however, your son had gone bad then for the better of society as a whole he should have been dealt with. Thank God it didn't get to that stage. You were the difference there but the idea of helping every bad youth while giving the two fingers to everyone else in the community has to stop. I don't want a "nanny" state but crimes against the person need to be categorised, lengthy sentences given and if the prisons are full make them share what space is there.

rapha.
you know nothing about this girl or her parents. you cant stay up all night watching your children. i had a terrible job keeping my son away from bad company when he was 14. he often climbed out his bedrom window, and was out at 2 oc. in the morning, i had to drive around looking for him several times, i am one of the lucky ones i got him away from the bad company but i will tell you it nearly sent me to the mental hospital. he is now a responsible young man but i can well understand how hard it is to keep young people under control. and my son never saw any bad influence at home either. i instilled good values in him but theres so many young thugs out their now a lot of young people who are not really bad can be influenced by them until its too late.

just reading what you people have to go through at night when you are enjoying a well deserved break from working hard all week and having to put up with this shit as well, and i hope the guards are reading this as well. you never hear of parents being brought throught the courts for allowing their kids wander the streets at all hours of the day and night, never being fined or imprisioned for their childs actions never having to pay for the damage they cause, for god sake this country is gone out of hand when these little c***s can do what they like and then cry for the guards and as usual the victim is arrested. like all the rest who stood up to these scum and gave them a hiding i say fair play to you and the guards should give you a pat on the back for it. arrest these c***s and the parents and make them pay. let everyone be able to walk the streets in safety again.

starkie Says:
'her parents are probaly good people'..........you my friend need a serious dose of reality, take a drive around the estates in the near future...what a comment...12 years old..3am...stolen car..hijacking taxis...ahhhh yeah i'm sure the parents are sound!!!!!!!!!!

Hazel................what are" gooderes"? You never let me down!

I f-ing love that story!

good man funkey do and good on the rest of ye for defending yer selves in situations when you meet scum in the streets of limerick
if more people took the law into their hand then mayby these littel pieces of shit would think twice
guards and do gooderes use too many excuses and the victim is always the ones who lose out

It's sad the way all the people posting here say they took the law into their own hands because they know it's the only thing to make these bastards leave them alone.
I've had conversations with friends who are hard working people struggling to pay bills and bring up their families. They have had enough of the bullshit. I live in the city centre and while I am careful late at night about where I go I am very quick to tell scumbags to fuck off when required. I can't say I consider myself to be brave but my attitude is the same as my friends. I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!
It saddens me that this is the country we live in but there are a lot more decent people than them and I think we've all had enough. We need laws for crimes against the person. If you attack someone for no reason and cause them harm you should get a five year sentence with no time off. Five years is five years. If you come out and do it again you get ten years and if you are stupid enough to do it again twenty years. As for the do gooders who say they all have problems, we've all had problems. There are good people out there who spend their lives dealing with all sorts of awful history but make the decision to live in society and not cause others harm. If someone is a plague on society and has been given too many chances then they are incapable of being a part of society and should be removed for the better of all decent people.

johnny rotten.
you say you dont condone violence yet you say you would beat someone so bad that they wouldnt be able to stand up for a wek after it, you sound like a very vicious person to me

I had another funny experience a few years ago.

I was walking through the lane between Krank's and Brown Thomas when a scum-bag about 15 years old stepped out from the shadows with a pen-knife and instructed me to give him money. I reached into my pocket and pulled out a load of change that I cupped with both hands. I then proceed to hand him the money, the moron then put the pen-knife under his arm and cupped his hands to receive this bounty. As soon as I had given him the change he's hands were full and he was totally at my mercy.

I then gave him a quick kick in the balls and he hit the the ground screaming, I then picked up the pen-knife and threw it over the nearest wall and before leaving gave the scum-bag a few kicks for good measure.

I lost about 12 Euro in change but it was worth every penny.

@ old dubliner
I myself would have not thought twice about it, I would have gone in swinging. If a person is willing to give a beating then they deserve to get a beating. They will break the law but as soon as they are challenged they will go crying to the law for help. If they are under-age they know they can't be touched so they believe they can get away with anything.

Had a experience myself a few months ago walking home from work. I was passing a local lad, about 6 or 7 years old, and he decided to spit in my face, I made a jump at him expecting him to run away but he just stood there and said "What you going to do about it ?". What could I do but walk away. Back in my day if you did that to somebody they would have giving you a kick up the backside, and if you went home and told what happened you would have gotten another kick up the backside there. If I gave him a kick up the backside I surely would have had the lay on me for assault.
I know the lad's parents and realized complaining to them was not worth the effort, as I could not take any physical revenge I decided to be more creative.

A few days later I saw the mother at her gate and I went up to her in the guise of a concerned neighbor, I told here that I saw the lad smoking a cigarette butt and felt it was my duty to inform her. As I walked away she stormed into the house stating "He won't be doing that again after I finish with him", revenge was mine and it was sweet.

Old Dubliner,
My heart goes out to you and your girlfriend, isn't it hard to believe in this day and age, that the stupid Gardai believed the fuc#ing bitches. I hope you see one of them some day (or night) and beat the the crap out of her and her friend, for that matter. I am not one to condone violence but when it comes down to this kind of thing, it's a different matter. If I ever saw any one (age or gender, I don't care) attacking a girl I would probably beat them so hard they wouldn't be able to stand up for a week or two, or more. And after I would be finished with them, I promise they would never threaten or harm anyone else, again.
Regards,
Johnny.

y do kids think there adults and as soon as things dont go there way they become kids again?i was out with my girlfiend recently when she went a bit ahead of me on oconell street .2 girls aged 15 atacked her and were pulling her down by the hair .when i arived i grabed one of the girls and pushed her away i was trying to get the other one off and the other girl came back again i was grabing the hands of the other one and got her off when the other girl grabed her hair this was when i got frustrated so i punched one of the girls they sudenly stopped and 1 of them (the one i punched)started screaming that she had been asaulted they flagged down a passing gaurda car and i was arested and warned about my behaviour .what was i suposed to do buy the girls my litle ponies ...........talk about the latest boy bands .r just stand there and watch my girl friend get beat up ?....oh and this all hapend at 3am when my own 15 year old was tucked up in bed............

starkie, i think redsky knows it could have ended in death. but i laugedat it myself,mainly because its unbelievable and the craziness of it, the fact that after the girl robbed the car she went looking for the gardai drawing attention to herself, completely opposite to what you expect sumbags to do after they rob a car

Grand theft auto has a lot to blame !

Shoot her between the eyes. :D

sounds like a dare or initiation into a gang.

trinity.
you are being presumptous, we know nothing yet about the girl or her parents she might well have slipped out of her house in the eaerly hours, her parents are probaly good people, so dont jump to conclusions. i think myself its a sign of the times, the females are becoming more and more aggresive. to red sky, i see nothing funny about it, this could have ended up in death and you wouldnt be so smirky if it happenned to be someone in your family that she crashed into.

I will admit I read the story and laughed, but on deeper reflection it's much more disturbing. The fact that a 12 year old girl could embark on such a rampage is amazing, even to go to the extent of purposely goading the police to give chase. How was she able to control a vehicle at that age, when I was 12 I was still having trouble cycling my bike without stabilizers.

But the worrying thing is that today she will face charges for what she's done (and rightly so), but will the reason for her actions be fully investigated. This is not the actions of normal 12 year old girl (or boy for that matter) so there must be a reason for this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these bleeding harts who spouts such rhetoric as "their from a broken home", or "their poor", or "society never gave them a chance". These are all excuses for crime (and poor ones at that), it's the reason why she done this is what needs to be addressed.
If it turns out that the reason is simply that she's an out-of-control brat then so be it. But what can happen is that this could be automatically assumed by all involved, when there may be a more deeper reason for her actions.

Apparently this 12 year old rammed the Garda Car as well. She was released into the custody of her parents. Nice parents eh to allow a 12 year old run amuck at 3 in the morning!

Lol.