Smart or crazy?

@Squid, in moyross most of the houses have been bought and those people have moved out and rent back to others who actually want to live there. I know some people who 'work' 10' hours a week and have a child and get more money a week than me and I am an accountant, its a harsh reality but some people out here actually know exactly what 'grants' and 'books' they can claim while working as little as possible. I know two people in balla that claim Deserted housewives allowance and their husbands actually still live in their house and its not like it is not known to the guards cause one is a 'fairly big time' drug dealer. They have ways around everything, sometimes I wonder why I even bother working when if I had a child out here and claimed like them then I could drive around in a 08 lexus and put my child in creche for the day!!

Point of fact. I do not believe you can get rent allowance for council housing, and Moyross is a council estate.

Tom,people here in moyross and other places are unemployed because they are better off than they are working, they have medical cards, rent allowence etc, why should they work? so wheres the incentive to work? Zippy not all people in moyross are in the crime side of life, unless you live here dont accuse everbody of being involved in the crime side. a lot of people are hard working and law abiding and yes our adress does not help when applying for a job, thats why we are victimised for where we live not who we are. and these (RECYCLABLE TILES) are good for years to come as they ars not old yet!

Good comments Shannabooley. Pity the people who created these estates and walked away from them without so much as planning for any facilities didn't listen to people like you before things came such a state.

I remember how clean and open the Moyross Estates were at the start, but even then not even a corner shop, not to mind sports halls, pools, clinics or a Garda Station were even considered necessary. People were just left up there to fend for themselves without services.

Now look at the cost - not monetary but more-so in terms of quality of life -such bad planning has incurred.

You sound like you know what you are saying SHANNABOLEY

@Starkie "this nonsense about their being no facilities in moyross is untrue. what about the seven factorys, they have indoor soccer boxing and pool, theirs also evening claasesin the community hall, also many wide open greens to play games but you rarley see any young people using them."
The 7 factories are used all the time, the pipe band practice there and people do go play pool etc but it is only open in the evenings! As for the greens, I see many greens in raheen and castletroy etc that kids don't use either, does that mean people there need to be neutered too. I don't disagree that there are some bad scum in Moyross but I also see that everywhere else.
HEADS UP, if I wanted drugs it wouldn't be the area of Moyross I would be going to, so yes Moyross may be somewhat immersed in the drug scene but take the wool off your eyes and realise wherever it is your living there is probably some coming from there. The reason many people can live beyond their means is because they can provide to the misfortunes that get caught up in this circle.....
I'd also like to ask where is this 'great place to swim' that is twenty mins walk away???

Oh I know there are really scummy people up there, my point was there are children up there living in what is now a dump and it was not always that bad.Its too late for the area but not all of the people.

Starkie I dont think the factories are much use to the kids and the youth programs although excellent came to late.There was a time you could not walk the twenty minutes to the tail gate it was too long to hold your breath going past the dump.For god sake the people in glennagross had to live across from the rest of the citys garbage. Having said that ballynanty had nothing in the line of youth program sand most of us turned out ok.It all boils down to parenting.

@ shannaboley That will tell you how bad they are that people agree with neutering them. You cant blame the government because these people chose to become scum . People in the country live miles from shops and pubs and you dont see them turn out like these dregs of society .....

this nonsense about their being no facilities in moyross is untrue. what about the seven factorys, they have indoor soccer boxing and pool, theirs also evening claasesin the community hall, also many wide open greens to play games but you rarley see any young people using them. yes theirs a big problem with drugs and thats a tricky situation that is obviously causing problems in many different ways, but when i hear people saying theirs no facilities it makes me angry, it is yntrue. also you have a great place to swim in the summer which is only twenty minuets walk away, i know we had no sumer this year, but up through the years you would rarely see more than 3 or 4 youn people using it, whatever excuse they want to use and their have ben , these are not them.

Jesus christ! if you talked about neutering Blacks or Jews this site would be shut down.For the people saying they would wreck any facilities given to them! ya now they would. However ten or fifteen years ago when the area was still redeemable they still had nothing! not a doctors office library grocery store nothing. when I went to balla school the teacher would remind the kids to make sure they had a copy book before they passed the balla shops and went up to the country"moyross" or else they would have no homework.
There are people on here that have yet to walk through Moyross shame on you, the children up there are the sames as everyone elses cute engaging kids with a sence of humor that you can only get from being street wise, smart kids that can tell the money denominations at two and three.Old beyond there year and very aware of what the rest of limerick thinks of them.
Moyross was not always like that it started out with such promise and good people, clean red brick homes handsome babies in shiny new buggys good looking young working couples that walked into ballynanty hand in hand on a saturday nite to get the bus to town "they had no bus service for quite a while. I dont know any other estate that left so much natural green space it really was the envy of lots of people in ballynanty and kileely.
They came out in thousands for there new church and school which came years after the estate had already grown huge.
The government should have stepped in a long time ago with more proactive and not reactive measure they should have put a police station up there Limericks head quarter police station so every cop coming to pick up his squad for duty would be driving through.But no they build one next to moylish cause those college kids are out of control and thomond park now they might score a free game and a few houses in clareview that in all the times I have passed them have no activty what so ever.Bad planning after bad planning.

@ ballababe,

Well said and I know there are alot of great people there aswell as in Balla that you wouldn't meet elsewhere...So to hell with the begrudgers...Come to think of it, I think afew of the people above might not know what the word 'ignorant' actually means...My mind wonders...

@ Tibet is any of it lies

Paddyjoe, who do you think you are coming out with shit like that? What part of Moyross are you from?

I am sorry but I read this 'comment board' with an open mind, I agree people can be racist BUT there is a lack of jobs because of the recession, not just for Moyross people, in every community in the city someone is affected and is it because they won't get off their ass too? If your from Raheen/Dooradoyle, are you unemployed because there is NO WORK or because your racist and scum?
I can't believe the way people speak about Moyross, yes its not a great place to be (I'll be the first to put my hand up and say that and probably the majority of people to comment have never even spent a day there, they just hear the rumours) but good people live there and make the most out of their lives. They work hard (till work is gone) and they bring children - good children up to be great adults, (Again I will put my hand up and say that was my life).
People in this city are racist but society makes it like that, not their beliefs, why is it that one hates immigrants?? Its because yes they will work the shit jobs buts also because some (not all) scam money from our system and everyone knows it. I know one that claimed his stamps and rent allowance and medical cards and everything else and all the while he was in his own country and flew home once a month to sign on (i know this has now changed within the system) but its because of these scenarios that people discriminate.
As for Moyross - did you know that there was one shop in Moyross for YEARS, always closed by 8pm, there are NO facilities. I can't imagine if you lived in the so called 'UPPER CLASS' part of the city that you would have to drive 10 mins away to get milk and as for a doctor, of these approx 4500 people, does no one deserve to get sick and be able to see a doctor? Old people who live there have to go at least a 25 min walk just to see a doctor. Try asking yourself would you like your 75 year old grandmother who has a bad leg and poor eyesight walk 25 mins to see a doctor for a weekly check up... NO I didn't think so, thank god all people don't discriminate because there are fantastic people up there who help those people by organising services that you wouldn't see in any other 'UPPER CLASS' community, cause poeple actually care out there.
As for being neutered don't even start me..... do you think there is no single mothers living in any other part of the city except Moyross??
I bet if you look in the 15 houses to the right of yours and 15 houses to the left, there is a single monther, does she deserve to be neutered too or is that just saved for someone in Moyross??????????????

Thats very true as well Tom I suppose it would only look after the future . Maybe take their benefits off them ask them where they are getting their money and maybe make them work and start by cleaning their own estates up

paddyjoe, interesting that you mention neutering.

i came across a lot of people thinking like you. and in fairness i can understand them as it seems that the only skill they have is reproducing themselfs. but remember, this will solve only the problem with the next generation. what about the recent generation and the already popped out scum?

@ mehere they have none of these facilities because they don't have respect for anything they are scum the dregs of society druggies and junkies . The ordinary people like myself trying to make a life for myself then get their houses broken into and the Guards do nothing even though they know who did it remember that blue VOLVO with the different reg plates that robbed all the houses .

@ Tibet you don't see these same problems in towns like Nenagh Ennis etc because they haven't got the same level of scum living there .

The Guards should set up roadblocks in and out of these places search and ask them what they are doing it might get a lot of the drugs . Instead of spending loads of money on building them more houses to wreck . Take their medical cards off them and neuter them also

Moyross has 1,160 houses, a population of approximately 4,500, about the size of Nenagh. There is an undue amount of single mothers and younger people residing in the area. Why no facilities? Moyross was built where it is because ther were over 800 families on th housing list in the early seventies and the only piece of land the corpo owned that could hold such a large build to aleviate the housing list was this area (Moyross). Why were no facilities put there? Initially there was very little need, those living there at the start were mostly employed and there was not an abundance of children like there is today. The shops and other facilities at Ballynanty and Caherdavin were suffice to look after the needs of the area. Once the government introduced the grants for people to leave social housing and buy their own houses, Moyross became the central point for the poorest people in the city. Unemployment was rife, criminality started to take place, originally in Glenagross, and people started to get a bad taste in their mouths about the area. Then along came families taking over blocks of areas. Joe Soaps sisters and brothers owned the 2 houses on either sides of his house. There were plans for to build a shopping area and other facilities where the current Community Centre is, however, nobody would come in to service it. Who is to blame for what has happened to Moyross, I guess it was and is a compounding of problems over the years. Unfortunately it has reached a stage now where it is practically inhabitable in certain avenues, albeit, for any of you who care to venture up there, many of the avenues are well looked after. The greens are cut and most people are very kind. Most of the houses are of a high and it is such a shame to see them knocked but its an 'all or nothing approach' which I can appreciate 100%. I just hope the regeneration takes place sooner rather than later.

@ Starkie...

Ur just picking on the comment I made about the phone box...For what it's worth I do agree that if there was one there it would be destroyed straight away and this is the reason why they stopped repairing them and they ceased to exist there...But my point was that there is NO where in Ireland a similar size to Moyross and with such a large population lacking sooo badly in ANY normal facilites, even sofar as to say that there has never been a Doctors clinic...There is in the region of 1,500 houses and IF each house had 3 kids and assuming 2 parents for example then that amounts to 7,500 people with NO facilities...If fact alot of villages around Ireland have alot more facilities than Moyross...Why is this???

bobadam ur comment sounds more crazy then smart . people are unemployed in moyross not because of foreign nationals but because of the crime. More people in moyross are in the crime side of life. How can you get a job with an address like moyross. what person in their right mind would have old tiles oo a brand new house. Not all the houses are burned out most were locked up because of people constanly leavin tell me how people could stop others from burning them down if people dont care about their houses. the fire brigade are there for a reason no matter how the fire starts ..............................

I'd also like to echo what Poxy Shamrock and Tom said, I agree that Irish people have a serious chip on their shoulder in relation to foreign people which borders on racism. Most foreigners here are honest good working people who are doing the shitty jobs that are below most of the people here and I have come across a lot between shopping and work etc. and I find that nearly all are extremely polite and pleasant which makes a change from some of our locals!

Countrygirl the Galvone industrial estate businesses had an awful time up there with the scum bags running loose I use to work there and to make it worse the Guards were afraid of them even with CCTV pictures they use to do nothing . I say build a wall around these estates and lock them in don't waste any more money on these rodents they make me sick we all pay taxes how many of them do but they show more signs of wealth........ Well put Tom .

i agree with tom about the stupid comments people make about immigrants. if i need a job done i dont care where the person comes from, i will try to get the most reasonable price for the job without ripping the person off, of course, the immigrants in limerick are not taking the jobs off the locals, any cafe or shop in town will tell you that they cant get limerick people to take the jobs, as for the lack of a public phone in moyross, get real , mehere, how long would it last.

Hardly the time to be letting racist or cultural differences become a topic create jobs for everyone including foreign nationals and indiginous moyross folk. Look the recession going to affect us all not just a class based issue or race for that matter

80 acres that couldn't be sold for 10k an acre up to recently makes you wonder if theres anymore potential bargains out there.
Industrial businesses recieve benifical grants from the ida and others. The amount of tax relief etc. is going to be huge. The Galvone ind est ran successfully for years on southills doorstep .Why wouldn't an industrial estate work out in Moyross. My belief would be that this can only be helpfull.

I know everyone has mobile phones now but it's been over 20 years since there has been a public phone box in Moyross in the street and still none today! Not sure of the facts but there's a roughly about 1,500 houses there...There has never been a supermarket, library, petrol station, take-away or any of the other facilities that are there now at Watch House Cross...There has never been a pub or off-license even, yet it has a big population...Is there any other part of the country which such a population and NO facilities whatsoever? This is how it has been pretty much since day one with the exception of the public phone box that was there once upon a time...Is it any wonder Moyross ended up the way it did? Imagine Ennis for example and it's people living in such sub-standards, would it/could it happen or be allowed? I think not...

Well said Tom.

Irish people begrudge immigrants so much.
It's sickening.

I suppose they could do the same as I'd have to if I owned a horse: pay for stabling.

This bit of land was for sale to my knowledge for about €800K in late 2006. As soon as news filtered about regeneration, the owners were refusing millions and millions. As far as they are concerned, great amount of money for the lands but by all means, they are worth it. If it were Dublin, lands of this size would be selling for easily €500 M to €1 B. 80 acres, there is so much can be done in the Delmege Estate. The only down side, that I didnt buy it in 2006 and make myself a nice little nest egg! As regards the regen, to my knowledge, funding for it will still not be a problem regardless of the big R. However, Fianna Fail and co are well within their rights to put it all on 'hold' should they feel the need. I knows its ridiculous but its bureachracy and Irish politics.

is that the bit of ground where people keep their horses ? if so it's been for sale / to let numerous times with the sign always ripped down, presumably by the equine enthusiasts. wonder where they'll park the gee gees now ?

BOBaDAM, why are the "lot of people here in moyross unemployed" not doing the jobs the foreigners do? maybe it's easier to get the ass up once a week to go to the postoffice to collect the child allowance for the new plasma tv? at least the foreigners are working and probably doing the shitty jobs the irish are above now.

and BTW: unemployed people in moyross? how come? arent the people of moyross not always called "decent and hard working"? some contradiction here, i'd say...

i hope all this regeneration will start soon, we here in moyross cant see anything positive being done, all we have seen is a few houses being knocked down after they have been burned down by little b******s that live around us. why cant they the corpo as soon as a house becomes vacant move in and strip the houses of perfectly good roofing tiles and struts and much more stuff that could be reused in the rebuilding of new houses? they could then knock the shell and this would stop the vandals from burning them and give the fire brigade an easier life. i hope the regeneration board dont forget that there are a lot of people here in moyross unemployed because of the recession that need to get work from the rebuilding of moyross and not a load of foreign nationals.( lets get it moving now)

well said limerick lad,
far too much negativity thrown around when something good is about to happen in these areas, even the supermarket in moyross has brought a difference to the area, i know a good few people in moyross and they tell me it has made a difference,

To me any investment in Moyross is positive. I just hope Limerick is capable of maintaining the pressure on Government for funding through the economic downturn.