Protests at regeneration offices over horse seizures

Yet again Limerick goes on the global map for .. wait for it.. protesting over horses!! Yes the civilized world have dogs and cats. But Limerick 'residents' claim horses. Maybe there are a couple of pigs and chickens we could add to the Limerick protected species, or have they been stabbed to extinction?

Shameful

im probably not too qualified to discuss the segments of society talked about here, i dont really know if the" horse owners", "scumbags" and "drug dealers" are all belonging to the same group or what exactly are the demarcation lines, but what i do know is that this thread has recieved 73 posts, and has been running since oct 22nd, and that in itself is very revealing, like it, hate it, agree or disagree it has made a lot of people think and type.
i come from generations of horse lovers, for us it has been a way of life, deeply ingrained in our phyce and genetic code, albeit at a different end of the spectrum, but a horse is a horse and regardless of its value or pedigree, they connect with some humans on a very deep level, even those who are scared of them will maintain at least a grudging respect.
i firmly believe that everyone is entitled to pursue their passion for these wonderous creatures and be afforded the opportunity to gain further education and depth of appreciation of same.
all of us non drug imbibing people would like nothing more than to rid our country of the drug dealers and all that follows it, but the gardai and cab are doing a great job and all the support they can be given to turn society around will assist, i have worked at the epi centre of the "horse industry" for almost 25 years, i have been brought to dizzy heights and the depths of despair by these creatures, whereas i no longer work with them as a form of livlihood, i will always keep a couple to take care of, i see it as my obligation to the species and all the great horses that taught me very valuable lessons. my late father used to say "you can judge a man by how he takes care of his horse" it may not mean much to a lot of you there but for someone willing to find it, its there. i coincidently saw the "protest march" in limerick, it was small and not very organised but they cared enough to walk the street with their message, it was something the irish were great at, finding their voice, and using it, not too much of it around now. i'm just as law abiding as the people wanting to rid our society of its evil, but evil has always existed and always will, its how we deal with it that matters.

reading from the letters all the drug dealers from moyross st marys park and so on should be evicted from their propertys regardless and confiscate any property they have that in it self would sort out the scum of the earth and leave the law abiding people in peace problem sorted

@to pat johnston. had no interest in bhsai, leave that to those who feel the need.....no moaning from me, the point was that people with said qualifications would not necessarily hold the further skills (not equine) to reach these people in a manner which would be effective .
totally agree with you on state of some horses, disgraceful and inhumane, but definitly not all, it isn't only "scumbags" who treat animals inhumanely, i have seen appalling cruelty from people with plenty of money and education and facilities, its a mindset
all thoroughbreds have compulsory microchipping, its random in the half bred world, but i was told during the summer that legislation had been brought in for compulsory chipping of all horses, yes, i think it should be mandatory

Travellers have always owned horses. The travellers were driven from the sides of the roads of Ireland over the last two or three generations onto housing estates & brought their horses with them. The non-travelling people of those housing estates learned about horses & absorbed some of the travellers culture. That's the situation. Horses are now part of the culture of limerick housing estates & anyone that thinks that 'a regeneration' of the estates should exclude horses is deluded. It's never going to happen. What is needed here is compromise. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the horsey types, they just like horses. They will have to be accomodated.

norma st leger Says:
......." i was shot down because i did not have BHSAI qualifications, these are british horse board affiliation exams"

Why dont you just do the bloody exams instead of moaning about it. They are simple enough to pass.

Have you seen the f******* state of these horse and the way they are treated? If anybody else owned them, they would be in court for animal cruelty. Also why is the horse microchip legislation not being enforced against these guys?

@ law abider, must say i thought william bell to you was complimentary, however your reaction has a vague thread of dictatorship? so, you vent your fraustration in the wonderland of an anonymous forum....and how revolutionary of you not to vote for willie odea, you must have met che guevara on his infamous trip to kilkee? where did you come up with such an advanced idea....don't vote, and prisons 3 times the size! you are outdoing yourself, but sorry, what will we do when we need prisons 12 times the size? you stated we need to change the MINDSET yes, thats precisly what i said, but not by expanding prisons and introducing iron fist politics....trust me when i say i'm no bleeding heart liberal, but i do hope i possess an open mind whereby i know that CULTURE and CULTURAL are defined terms by the peoples who create them, not definitions of a social awareness defined by ones peers, not even you can deny that horses have for over 50 years been part of the limerick landscape, and as you judge your fellow man so harshly, might i remind you that fanatacism, bigotry, unlawfullness is not confined to any one race,religion, or social dimension. we all know the regen plan is unstructured and ill defined in its social context, we all know that public funds will go down the toilet per usual, knocking the churchs, why? what a waste of the tax payers money, especially yours law abider, where is your voice, why are you so fraustrated ? why are you not challenging our goverment? why are you not challenging this forum to assist you in positive change? jails are a vital part of social correction, so why are the criminals coming out of them better versed in the ways of crime? why is the foundation of our country, health and education in tatters.....hardly because of 30 angry "clippety cloppers" in moyross....direct your energy where it might do some good....but dictatorship won't be tolerated...you don't want to draw the americans on you now do you?

@ William Bell

A long time ago horses were used as work animals in Limerick. They were worked hard but never ridden around the streets by thugs. These people have no culture that involves horses that goes back any length of time. If you used the word equine around them they'd think it was some Polish cigarette you can buy cheap. I don't feel I am a mug and would certainly not be happier living like them.
I am also well able to vent my frustration at politicians as I have done many times on this forum and at the last election Mr. O' Dea did not get my vote because I personally believed his party were lying to me. In fact he will never get my vote again unless I see him change.

@Norma Jean Bell
with the increase in drug use (especially heroin abuse) 5% of these people moving away from drugs and crime will be useless. The only thing they will understand is a threefold increase in the size of Limerick prison and being told that when the regeneration kicks in that will be their prize for trying to do any more damage. And to keep the cost down of keeping them there give them enough food to survive and no extra curricular facilities. They've had too many chances. I'm sorry but if this regeneration is going to work the mindset of these people needs to be changed so the majority of us can live in a city we can be proud of again and if that means turning our back on that small minority and removing them from society so be it. I've looked at the regeneration plans and have posted a small comment which might move us on from here as all the arguments have been gone through but are now beginning to repeat ourselves.

@William Bell

You quoted above: "Horses have always been a part of life in Limerick. Limerick wouldn’t be the same without the clippity clop of the youth riding round the streets on their proud steeds"

What are you talking about! I've been in and out of Limerick for the last 30 years and haven't noticed the streets full of horses! I think you have been away too long.

Neigh.

Law Abider. You sound like a decent sort, a hard working type who is sick of watching the horsey types living off the state & demanding extra on top. I fully understand where you are coming from. During the 80's, things were so bad in Limerick that people like you & I couldn't find work in Limerick to save our lives. I don't know about you but I moved to Dublin to get a job. I was the typical culchie redneck. Red on the back of the neck because of all the slaps I got to 'get up to Dublin & get a job'.
After being taxed by the Haughey government for a few years at 48% I wised up & buggered off. The money was being bandied around in brown envelopes & fools like me paid for it all.
Several years later, after travelling widely, paying taxes to governments who I knew were spending my money properly I decided to go back to Ireland & get some pay-back for my years of paying tax through the teeth. I drew down the higher education payment, got grants from Brussels & worked part time for cash for a few years, earning a degree. You may think I sponged but I was only getting back part of what I had been screwed for by the Haughey government in the 80's. The part time work that I engaged in brought me quite close to the horsey types & the rest that don't normally work within the system. They live in a different world than you mate. Where-as you give every week in the form of taxes, levies etc. They take every week in the form of this payment & that. You've not got time for horses because you are working all the time to support those that will not & probably can not work. I'm sorry Law Abider but you are a mug. Just as I was during the 80's. You'd probably be a far happier person drawing the dole, living in a state house with a piebald pony tied up in the front garden. You're never going to be happy with the situation of horsey types demanding their rights.
The bottom line is that you should reserve your disgust for those that are really screwing the system in Ireland. The Counsellors, TD's etc. Ireland is rotten to the core. I don't begrudge the horsey types their ponies & state houses. You should direct your bile at the gombeen men who run the show.

does the man not know housing estate not the place for horses could he not get a dog like a normal person

This is a very tough issue to deal with no doubt. Most people including Law Abider & Norma have good arguments.

law abider

Well said:)

I actually agree with your view on the existing situation law abider, i too work mon to sat and sometimes sunday, when i worked full time in the horse industry, i worked 24/7, but my point is about bringing about change not about supporting the existing situation, the people who are intent on keeping horses and defining it at cultural should be given the opportunity to turn it into an enterprise which just might assist them in turning a corner, i fully appreciate this might appear to be a bleak prospect and a naive perspective but the alternative is absolutly guaranteed not to work.
i too have encountered galloping horses and irresponsible riders/owners and 100% agreed it is very frightening, but even at that i think its preferable to guns and drugs, i really believe we cannot afford further decline in our society, i never suggested that the council or any other body give anybody something for nothing, the horse owners would have to be responsible and accountable, the set up would have to be highly regulated, inspected and monitored and anyone not abiding and respecting the facility would not be entertained, but i do respect your point, maybe its too late, i dont really know, it might work and it might be just be vandalised, the larger element of control and monotoring would have to come from within and only the people in the know can talk about that, given the global situation we are living with, this is hardly a ripple in the ocean, i have worked in many parts of the world in the horse industry, i have seen families who are dependent on horses for their meagre livlihood and i have seen how proper education and aquisition of appropriate skills has transformred their lives, i sincerly do not know if this would work in limerick, but in light of the billions that has been squandered in this country i would view it as a relativly small risk that might reap a reward. and as an incidental to your post, the tax system in relation to sale of horses is quite specific, only since 2007 has the income from stallions been brought into the tax net, they were granted a tax free status back in 1968, i think, that was 39 years tax free, so some people had the massive opportunity to establish ireland as a serious front runner in the bloodstock business,what a gift, some people became impossibly rich on this gift from the state, however the sale of horses has always been in the tax net but primarilly when operating as a legitimate registered business, and fortunatly or unfortunatly this never included the "hobby" end of the industry, the rough cost of keeping a horse in appropriate conditions for 1 year would be about 3,500 euro, this would not include equipment or time allocated in care, that would be a very basic cost, so people wanting to subscribe to a facility would have to find a way to contribute, education might bring about a degree of reality, as i would not agree with keeping horses at a cost to others or to the animal itself......and there i was promising to stop ranting!

If I hear this part of their culture guff again I'm going to throw up. I'm sick of it.
The fact is owning a horse in these areas is illegal for various reasons. Watching some of these people galloping down streets is disgusting. The horses are a danger to people. Some day someone is going to get killed by one of these animals and then the Corporation / Council will be blamed.
The areas the animals graze on are for all local people to use. The locals are unable to use these areas because they will be verbally and physically imtimidated by the horse owners. They treat the land as theirs and God help those who disagree.
It is also cruel to the animals to have them tied up in small areas. There is also the wider picture to look at here. Those people will not back down because once they give way to this they will be seen as weak and their hold over the areas will weaken and they will be defeated. There is a lot more at risk here than someones right to own a horse. Well done to the councils, not just in Limerick but in all other areas, for removing these animals. Less fear of these people will allow the authorities to gain an upper hand.
Norma, I've read your comments which were well written and respectful of the horse owners but you have not allowed for the people who live in these areas, go to work everyday and pay their way. A lot of the horse owners are on the dole, living in accomodation provided by the government and now you want them to get a free equestrian centre. I work Monday to friday and bring home a low salary. I can't go on a housing list and struggle to pay bills. These people can do nothing for the rest of their lives and they won't work if you build them somewhere for their horses. Next year they'll want a grant for horse feed and a big list of other things. They pay no taxes on sales of animals. Let them work for it.

I have reread all the responses in this post, mine is definitly the most long winded......sorry! i appreciate irreverance and dark humour as much as anyone...maybe more! but it just fraustrates me so much that the lack of the "bigger picture" is always missing especially in limerick. i too have spent much of my life out of this country but have been back here almost 20 years, yes, its depressing,fraustrating etc etc but years back when southill and later moyross was built, some of my friends and i held the opinion that they must have been modelled on south african townships and would never integrate as a viable part of the limerick community.
we hear a lot of words lile "marginalised" and "peripheral" bandied about, they now have neither meaning or impact, we now use the term "scumbag" liberally and literally as if describing a seperate race of people. there has always existed in limerick a very strong hierarchy of society, where you lived where you were educated etc.....ya, that all part of social development and strata, but over the past 10 years or so this has evolved into its own little nucleus of "global terrorism" we fear stabbings, shootings, attacks so the gap becomes wider and wider, and what have our great leaders come up with...."a regeneration programme" does even one person believe in it? i doubt it, all it will do is send the "others" scurrieng for bigger gates and better alarm systems and create a greater divide, to take "regeneration" seriously it has to start with changing the MIND SET and not only of the people we so love to brand "scumbags" lots of bloggers tell them to get a job and do their own building etc....what kind of jobs are out there for these people? i dont know, yes im a tax payer, yes i get angry with how my hard earned tax money is being spent... but i want a solution not more platitudes and more kowtowing to some half arsed EU overpaid non workable plan.The horse owners of limerick city are actually entitled to a hearing as to what might constitute an answer, yes they are shouting and threating, but ask yourselves, when did anyone take the time to pass on to them the communication skills that would assure them they dont have to shout or threaten people to be heard, the mere fact that horses have been such a part of limerick landscape for definitly over 50 years in my memory shows there is perseverance in this life for them, maybe they equate success and social standing with money and the biggest opportunity they have found to become "equals" has been in the "easy" money and obliteration of their reality via drugs, if even 5% of them reject drugs and crime for a life with horses then that is the least they are entitled to. and now i'm sure you will all be delighted to hear i'm going to shut up as i'm done with ranting for the week-end! hope you have all had a lovely bank holiday

Thanks for positive response William Bell, in truth I probably hold horses in general in higher regard than a lot of humanity i have encountered! yes i grew up with horses and they were also my livlihood for most of my life.
when it was up for question some years back, to provide an equestrian facility for limerick, i did speak with someone and offered my help on a volunteer basis, i was shot down because i did not have BHSAI qualifications, these are british horse board affiliation exams, normally accorded to riding school instructors, my point was that they needed people with excellent horse all round knowledge and hands on experience, and more importantly someone with the ability to communicate these skills to the people interested, but no they did'nt get that and all plans were shelved. my daughter has those requires qualifications and she too offered her help.
however , my point is, these people have gleaned a lot of knowledge and expertise in the care of horses but sadly they have facilities and no means to maintain and expand in a productive way a growth pattern from riding bareback around fields to all the other ways where their investment and time could have reaped rewards. a point which may pass a lot of people is...have you ever heard of a horse being shot in limerick? what the detractors are'nt getting is that these "horse lovers" may not always treat their animals in the way we think they should but i believe that is primarilly down to lack of knowledge and facilities, not always i admit, but there is definitly a big link between the people and the horse, a link which is founded on respect and love of the horse, its timeless and deep and manifests in the fight they are willing to make to hold on to it, i feel very strongly about them being given the opportunity, but i ask what can i do? i can't take on the town council alone.

Sorry Squid, I got a bit carried away there. I guess Limerick does need some help sorting itself out. To answer your question, where have I been for the last 30 years, well, I've been all over the place. I've lived abroad for many years, returning to Limerick sometimes for short visits & othertimes to live for longer stretches. The horses are always there when I come home & my guess is that no amount of regeneration will get rid of them. I was reared in a neighbourhood where there was always horses around & generally they were treated well. Norma St Leger makes some good arguements much more eloquently than me. Why can't Limerick have thoughtful intelligent people like Norma in the corpo instead of the publicians & business types that couldn't give a hoot for the common man. Also, my comment about the 'kevlar vests in armoured cars' was a bit tongue in cheek. It's a shame what's happened to Limerick with the drugs & the thuggery. I couldn't live there now, it's a bit too sad for me to see how much its declined. In my lifetime people used to leave their front doors open without fear of being robbed. Neighbours looked out for each other. Horses were just a part of the scenery.

@william bell

Where have you been for the past 30 years. The reason the regeneration agency was created was because limerick failed to sort its issues out on it's own.

lots of bitterness and anger regarding horses in estates, but whereas the solution? no denying there is a long history of keeping horses in corpo estates, so can we define it as "cultural" ? people not involved will say no but people who understand the relationship of man and horse throughout the ages would say yes.
a lot of people keeping these horses take great pride in the health, welfare and performance of their horses, others are downright uneducated in all things equine, people who put 9 month old and yearlings under trotting gigs trotting hard on roads doing untold damage to the immature and unfused joints of these poor animals, causing deformity and pain, those people should have their horses confiscated.
however, the corpo should provide a working educational facility for the people genuinly interested in the appropriate approach to horses, there is a thriving equine industry in ireland and plenty jobs and careers to be had, from the breeding industry, to trotters, showjuming, farriers grooms, jockeys and all offshoots of the racing industry, would there not be some possible positive outcome in offering real education in this field to youngsters with a true passion for horses, and the possibility at least of steering them away from a life of drugs, drink and crime, continued criticism of them is hardly a solution, its a bit too easy for nobody to care just as long as our own turf isn't encroached on, well i admit i dont want that either, but i'm so sick of listening to all the anger and finger pointing, a solution is called for, and the bond between man and horse is timeless.
it may not work for everyone, but it just might help a percentage to find a livlihood and interest they love and have a natural talent for, taking it all away is definitly no solution.

Squid

I'm hearing you but my point is the travellers group are the most vocal, in my eyes no matter who does it it's unacceptable.

There's no harm in a few horses. It what gives Limerick it's unique ambience. The do-gooders (regeneration people) should stay away & let Limerick sort out it's own problems. Trying to force some kind of euro-solution on the people of Limerick is a waste of time & money. Why don't they just accept that horse ownership is a fact of life on Limerick estates & try & facilitate that? How's about setting up an equestrian centre on the outskirts of Moyross staffed by youth who enjoy horses, offering this based on the premise that they attend school for 3 or 4 hours a day onsite? How about a bit of imagination instead of impounding horses & messing with the locals heads.

@ me

hang fire there with the sweeping generalisations there. Travellers aren't the only members of the population who have pitbulls, and who would like to let them run riot to make their owners look manly

William Bell

Are you aware of who is doing the protest?

"a wild west type theme park" The problem for the good people of Moyross is it's already like that.

From RSF site:
"relations between the local community and the Regeneration Board were strained "

Wrong, it's people looking to break the law i.e. have horses running riot in city estates, what next the travelling community will want to have unleased pitbulls running the roads?

Horses have always been a part of life in Limerick. Limerick wouldn't be the same without the clippity clop of the youth riding round the streets on their proud steeds. Moyross has a proud heritage of horse ownership & this is what gives the place it's unique aura. The regen people should bugger off & leave Moyross alone. Just imagine, if the place was allowed to completely revert to a wild west type theme park, Bord Failte could start running tours up there for interested tourists wearing kevlar vests in armoured cars. It would be a great money spinner for the region. God knows we need some new ideas now that DELL is bailing out of the region.

RSF claim that it is O'deas fault as he didnt keep promises made to both the people of moyross and the regeneration board..statement posted in full on irbb...

http://admin2.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=979...

@ To the point

How do you figure that out? You can come from Moyross own horses and be on the dole and be very respectable you clown, just because this shower are scum doesn't mean the rest are, and I hope you don't end up on the dole like alot of other people who never thought they would given the current climate.

moyross = horses = social welfare = prison = scum

If someone is buying and selling horses should they not be registered as a business and pay taxes? Maybe the revenue commissioners or social welfare inspectors should be investigating these issues. As for building them somewhere for the horses, let them get a job and build it themselves.

moyross Says:

October 24th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
and ya we wil show volience if people dont hear for wat we ave to say

i rest my case..

If Friar Tucks were still around there'd be no problem getting rid of these horses. You wouldn't see them running round estates, you'd be more likely to see them rolled in pita bread and covered with sauce!

The problem as I see it, 'the decent' people are being labeled and treated as 'scumbags'. These are the tenants and homeowners who need SUPPORT. They don't deserve or need the treatment the are recieving. On the scale of things 'scumbags' demands are prioritiesed as far more important than theirs. Now thats another kick in the boll**ks for them.

I think the horses should defo be taken off them, they do not have suitable accomodation for horses such as stables etc. tying them to your gate or in your garden goes not qualify as a suitable home. I think its a disgrace the way those animals are been treated and more so i think its a disgrace the way they are reaction to the regeneration crowd, they are out there trying to sort out these places so people out there can have a better life and nice homes, I think the government are wasting their money because some people have no regard or appreciation.

@Moby

Go back to the Glen where you belong and stop being so bitter!

Moby dick,cork is full to the brim with scum all ready. no room left boyo.

just on a side note: you never hear such stories coming from Corbally, Mungret, Dooradoyle, Raheen, Castletroy, Westbury etc...

@BIF...

I'm mot one for repeating myself...

So just to sum up... you're saying that before the scumbags of the city move out to the "rural sleeply towns & villages"...
So no Co. Limk town has ever had scumbags....

I moved out into the so called country a few years back..
& they were all alive & well for years (scumbags that is) to where I move too... & no they weren't city scum that moved there in the 1st place...
They were all born & rasied in cows sheds

Otra vez.... Chupa mi Polla

deepthroat, (jeaus what a name,) anyway, you just weant this debate to be about 'stigma' and 'labling' people, it seems you just want a row based on that kind of debate, but, heres the thing, if you try read in my posts again, made it implicity clear that i wasnt taring all with thaw same brush.

No, if you actualy try reading it properly, i said its the *scumbags* who will most likely be moved from the re-gen areas, but that they will be moved into the housing estates being built in small towns in co clare and county limerick. mmmk? you got me now, or do i need to explain it all over again? So im basically say ing NO to scumbgs in our small towns!

unless ur jhon wayne .........zoro .......or the lone ranger .....the chance u need a horse in this day and age ........are zero .i was listening to the radio the other day and there was2 fathers on from moyross giveing out because they cant buy there children horses for christmas .....out of fear there horses would be taking of them........i hada hamster when i was a kid ....is the horse for the kid or a heavy trophy the da cant hang round his neck.basicaly what looks better a gold fish or a horse a jack russel puppy or a horse........the kid cant drive so lets maka statement by getting him a top of the range ...pet.how fucking sad is that make sure he goes to school give him the best chance he has .and if he is unfortunate to be brought home by the guards make sure he never forgets it .......not reward him.

I hope there wont be more limerick scum moving to cork.

There is a bit of rough justice in all of this. For weeks the media have been reporting that the regeneration agency are promoting "peace talks" between Limerick's drug scum gangs.

If they are being made feel this inportant by the regeneration agency is it any wonder that the scum feel above the law.

A case of the regeneration agency being bitten by the ego monster that they created?

I grew up right in the middle of Limerick, where nobody had gardens and there were no open spaces. My parents decided we shouldn't have a dog because there was nowhere to exercise them and it would be unfair on the animal. We would have liked a dog, but they were right. There was nowhere for a dog to run around.

Today, I'd like to have a horse for my children, but again, I don't have the space, and therefore I decide not to buy one. It makes no sense for me to have a horse when I don't have a field.

Now, here we have people who live in a suburban housing estate which they think is suitable for a horse, when it plainly is not. That's a pity, but unless they win the lottery and can afford to buy a house in the country, I'm afraid they're out of luck. Just like me, they don't live in a place where a horse is an option. I'd like to afford a house in the country with room for horses too, but I can't, and neither can these people.

It looks like we're all in the same boat. The difference is, I accept the reality of where I live, and I'm not threatening anyone.

deepthroat everybody knows who is to blame for all this,the drug dealers/robbers and low life's who never worked in their lifes and dont entent to,regen to me is just lots of money to make a place look nicer but it wont change the people,it will never chance the people,as always the majority are nice hard workers and will continue to be but that wont make things better because the regen wont change the other percentage,you have to change generations of familys to make a difference and by moving the scum to another part of town wont change them now will it,PEOPLE SAY THE MAJORITY ARE HARD WORKING IN THESE ESTATES BUT PEOPLE OF OTHER AREAS ARE WORKING AS HARD AND PAY 3 TIMES MORE FOR THEIR HOUSES....so my point is by moving scum to other area's like raheen/casteltroy/corbally and not leaving them return to regen area's will that be fair on the hard working residents of raheen/castletroy/corbally?

This conversation is riddeled with bigots. Painting everyone with the same brush when most of the commentators have probably never been to these areas and never knowingly spoken to people from these areas. Most people are decent and have silently suffered in these areas for the actions of the minority for many years. Ye should try to support these people and stop spouting ridiculous inter country xenophobic rhetoric. I don't know why i am even bothering to post it won't make one blind bit of difference to the ignorant pigs on this site.

The notice did not say who was organising it, just informing of a planned "peaceful protest to protect our horse culture"

and im well aware that there are many decent hard working ppl in scum, areas, but they didnt stop the scumbags tasking over and in many cases they reared families well but only to see thier offspring join the ranks of the scum gangs and become part of the problems.

Of course thats another conversation, but point being as i said, im not labling all ppl in these areas as scummers, but lets not kid ourselves, many of those to be moved/rehoused are the very people that ruined the area in th first place and theyre just goin to do the exact same wherever else they go. It will be like trying to combat mad cow disease by just dispearsing the infected herds around the country.

youl have to ask the 'powers that be' and the regen board to explain that particular ephifany but then its an old solution to alot of problems, send the problem somewhere else.

Has anyone thought that it might be inhumane to have horses confined in such a developed area? Somehow it doesn't seem right to have them kept in a housing estate. And to the dude who asks if other peoples children had their animals taken away.... Buy your kid a hamster and there will be no issue, you are not thinking of the children here now are you? Before you answer it's a rhetorical question!

If they have no where to put the horses...well they just should not have them. Take the horses and sell them. Wandering horses has been a problem in limerick for years.

The majority of the people in these estates are law, abiding, hard workers. Theres another demographic that is the retired and elderly. These people shouldn't be blindsighted because of the acts of a few. Whoever made those threats should be arrested and charged simple as .
What about the properties lying half empty facing negative equity. Surely if these were purchased as social housing it would make far more economic sense. The decent working class and elderly should be everyone's first priority ....anyone with convictions etc should be way down the list . Forget pandering to drug dealers and their kin.

@biff

Why does limericks social problems have to be transferred to other places?

the only real way to regen an area is to move all the scum out to somwhere else anything less is waste of time becos they (scumbags) will drag it back down in no time otherwise.

There are housing estates being/already built in parts of co.clare and limerick to facilitate this mass migration and i pity the poor poeple in these little towns as they wont know what hits them when this scum-tsunami lands on their doorstep!

@ BIF...

Hold on to your horse's Bif.. (Pun Included)
Is County Clare & Limerick Scumbag Free...
Was it scumbag free before they arrived..
Is it always a city person who is branded a Scumbag.
You can be sure that 90% of the people living in these areas are hard working decent people..
So like always it's the minority that gets everyone painted with the one brush.
I'm orginally from one of these (suppose to be) regenerated areas, I went to college, & have my own business...
I don't need people like you telling me that I'm a scumbag when I'm not... Are all the people in Co Limerick & Clare living in Rainbow Land...
"With their Towns ruined for ever".. maybe it'd be an improvemt to many of them to what they are now..

Muckers & Culchies the lot of them, we might be spared having all the Bog Warriors of the earth being dumped on our doorsteps & the smell in the streets will ruin the place forever...

By the way... POT.. KETTLE... BACK..
Has that passed your mind...

Chupa mi Polla....

Minie

Im sure they are well able to buy and sell as most of them end up buying drugs and selling them for profit.

I dont know many people who ride a piebald pony to school but i see alot of it during school hours when they are supposed to be in class.

@bif

Scum from around the country should be dumped in limerick not the other way round.

Just wondering now that we are in "resession" who is checking out all the social welfare payments? If "single" parents are living with there partners and claiming benefits?? That would be an easy way for the government to save money...

Is this the same Mr McCarthy who believes that clearing a field for his horses makes him the owner of the land?

well

how dare people call us wankers ye have some cheek what wud ye do if year kids had animals and some one came and took um from them wouldnt be nice sure it wouldnt.........

"A peaceful proteset is being organised for 4.30 on friday in william st. Notices have been put in local business windows. (moyross local businesses)"

A few rocks might be put in them too. Dead right. Round up the horses. Its nto the horses faults the should be looked after. they are left wandering around streets or tied up in soccer pitches. i dont know how many times I have stepped in horse shit during a soccer match. Its gisgraceful.

And again, If I left a horse out the council would be all over me with fines so why would Moyross people differ?

Mini Me.. to the point was just saying that during the day some kids are seen jocking horses around the place instead of being at school. He wasnt generalisaing all kids from the area.. just the knackers, which is from bad parenting.

Zippy I see what you are saying. Its not nice being told what to do if you did nothing wrong. A lot of people are losing out over the regen.. only the scumbags are benefiting as i said in earlier posts. Timberland Rules!

now who's takin the horse to France?

shower of scumbags, but maybe its a good thing in a way, if the regeneratiojns thing fails at least the people of co clare and also limerick county, might be spared having all the scum of the earth being dumped on their doorsteps and their towns ruined for ever.

I am seaching for some idea to write in my blog... somehow come to your blog. best of luck. Eugene

Turf:By who and for what?

but i can imagine that notices arent the only thing that'll be going in local business windows if these wankers dont get their own way

Zippy, you do have options. A bunch of you could get together and fight in the courts to have your houses bought back from you on account of the fact that the council and police (and the bloody army - where are they - out foreign protecting innocents from thugs?) cannot enforce the law of the country and allow you to live in safety and peace.

to the point ...... u must b well brought up as a lot of the people in moyross are and the children from moyross do go to school and are very CLEVER. a lot would bye and sell u and there horses are for after school

According to the Limerick Independent some of the regeneration staff said "Senior members of the feud" threatened their lives. Don't back down to intimidation from these scumbags.

zippy

I agree with you and in a sick kind of way I'm happy this happened now, these so called experts think that by moving some of these scumbags next to decent people that everything will be hunky dorey, no chance, there are families in Limerick that are beyond reason and they should be kept away on their own so they don't poison the rest of society.

That idiot McCarthy was the main organiser of the "protest" at the regeneration offices which turned out to be a threatening mob ..........the same McCarthy who has never worked a day in his life (but can sponsor his hobby of the sport of kings i.e. Horse ownership, wants to run for local election. Can you imagine if he was elected and didn't get his way in the council chamber..............

Tom that wasn't wandering horses that was Willie O'dea!

A peaceful proteset is being organised for 4.30 on friday in william st. Notices have been put in local business windows. (moyross local businesses)

aww the poor horses,the poor kids own them if they cant have the horses they will have to go to school and learn,we cant have clever people in the estates now can we or we wont need to regenerate the place,

is'nt it amazing, when the regeneration arrived in moyross the residents were told that the regen board would not tolerate any form of anti-social behaviour or intimidation from residents and if residents what change that they would have to stand up to these thugs and report anti-social behaviour to the gardai. all sound reasonable, until a group show up at the regen office and make staff feel unsafe they simply dicide to close up shop and run away. although i do not agree with anybody or group to arrive and make others fear for they safety i am happy in a funny way as now the likes of the regen know it is not so simple to deal with these sort of thugs. the residents of moyross unlike the regen staff cannot close up shop and run we have no choice but to stay as some of us own our homes and have no option but to stay

It looks that moyross crowd are as wild as wild horses.

last night and the night before we had horses around the corbally roundabout leaving lots of piles of sh*t on the pavement.