Comments on: Protests at regeneration offices over horse seizures http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures Latest happenings from Limerick City and County Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:47:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Crow Foot http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57903 Crow Foot Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:24:39 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57903 Yet again Limerick goes on the global map for .. wait for it.. protesting over horses!! Yes the civilized world have dogs and cats. But Limerick 'residents' claim horses. Maybe there are a couple of pigs and chickens we could add to the Limerick protected species, or have they been stabbed to extinction? Shameful Yet again Limerick goes on the global map for .. wait for it.. protesting over horses!! Yes the civilized world have dogs and cats. But Limerick ‘residents’ claim horses. Maybe there are a couple of pigs and chickens we could add to the Limerick protected species, or have they been stabbed to extinction?

Shameful

]]> By: norma st leger http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57825 norma st leger Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:35:10 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57825 im probably not too qualified to discuss the segments of society talked about here, i dont really know if the" horse owners", "scumbags" and "drug dealers" are all belonging to the same group or what exactly are the demarcation lines, but what i do know is that this thread has recieved 73 posts, and has been running since oct 22nd, and that in itself is very revealing, like it, hate it, agree or disagree it has made a lot of people think and type. i come from generations of horse lovers, for us it has been a way of life, deeply ingrained in our phyce and genetic code, albeit at a different end of the spectrum, but a horse is a horse and regardless of its value or pedigree, they connect with some humans on a very deep level, even those who are scared of them will maintain at least a grudging respect. i firmly believe that everyone is entitled to pursue their passion for these wonderous creatures and be afforded the opportunity to gain further education and depth of appreciation of same. all of us non drug imbibing people would like nothing more than to rid our country of the drug dealers and all that follows it, but the gardai and cab are doing a great job and all the support they can be given to turn society around will assist, i have worked at the epi centre of the "horse industry" for almost 25 years, i have been brought to dizzy heights and the depths of despair by these creatures, whereas i no longer work with them as a form of livlihood, i will always keep a couple to take care of, i see it as my obligation to the species and all the great horses that taught me very valuable lessons. my late father used to say "you can judge a man by how he takes care of his horse" it may not mean much to a lot of you there but for someone willing to find it, its there. i coincidently saw the "protest march" in limerick, it was small and not very organised but they cared enough to walk the street with their message, it was something the irish were great at, finding their voice, and using it, not too much of it around now. i'm just as law abiding as the people wanting to rid our society of its evil, but evil has always existed and always will, its how we deal with it that matters. im probably not too qualified to discuss the segments of society talked about here, i dont really know if the” horse owners”, “scumbags” and “drug dealers” are all belonging to the same group or what exactly are the demarcation lines, but what i do know is that this thread has recieved 73 posts, and has been running since oct 22nd, and that in itself is very revealing, like it, hate it, agree or disagree it has made a lot of people think and type.
i come from generations of horse lovers, for us it has been a way of life, deeply ingrained in our phyce and genetic code, albeit at a different end of the spectrum, but a horse is a horse and regardless of its value or pedigree, they connect with some humans on a very deep level, even those who are scared of them will maintain at least a grudging respect.
i firmly believe that everyone is entitled to pursue their passion for these wonderous creatures and be afforded the opportunity to gain further education and depth of appreciation of same.
all of us non drug imbibing people would like nothing more than to rid our country of the drug dealers and all that follows it, but the gardai and cab are doing a great job and all the support they can be given to turn society around will assist, i have worked at the epi centre of the “horse industry” for almost 25 years, i have been brought to dizzy heights and the depths of despair by these creatures, whereas i no longer work with them as a form of livlihood, i will always keep a couple to take care of, i see it as my obligation to the species and all the great horses that taught me very valuable lessons. my late father used to say “you can judge a man by how he takes care of his horse” it may not mean much to a lot of you there but for someone willing to find it, its there. i coincidently saw the “protest march” in limerick, it was small and not very organised but they cared enough to walk the street with their message, it was something the irish were great at, finding their voice, and using it, not too much of it around now. i’m just as law abiding as the people wanting to rid our society of its evil, but evil has always existed and always will, its how we deal with it that matters.

]]> By: birmingham http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57816 birmingham Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:08:42 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57816 reading from the letters all the drug dealers from moyross st marys park and so on should be evicted from their propertys regardless and confiscate any property they have that in it self would sort out the scum of the earth and leave the law abiding people in peace problem sorted reading from the letters all the drug dealers from moyross st marys park and so on should be evicted from their propertys regardless and confiscate any property they have that in it self would sort out the scum of the earth and leave the law abiding people in peace problem sorted

]]> By: norma st leger http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57808 norma st leger Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:00:47 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57808 @to pat johnston. had no interest in bhsai, leave that to those who feel the need.....no moaning from me, the point was that people with said qualifications would not necessarily hold the further skills (not equine) to reach these people in a manner which would be effective . totally agree with you on state of some horses, disgraceful and inhumane, but definitly not all, it isn't only "scumbags" who treat animals inhumanely, i have seen appalling cruelty from people with plenty of money and education and facilities, its a mindset all thoroughbreds have compulsory microchipping, its random in the half bred world, but i was told during the summer that legislation had been brought in for compulsory chipping of all horses, yes, i think it should be mandatory @to pat johnston. had no interest in bhsai, leave that to those who feel the need…..no moaning from me, the point was that people with said qualifications would not necessarily hold the further skills (not equine) to reach these people in a manner which would be effective .
totally agree with you on state of some horses, disgraceful and inhumane, but definitly not all, it isn’t only “scumbags” who treat animals inhumanely, i have seen appalling cruelty from people with plenty of money and education and facilities, its a mindset
all thoroughbreds have compulsory microchipping, its random in the half bred world, but i was told during the summer that legislation had been brought in for compulsory chipping of all horses, yes, i think it should be mandatory

]]> By: William Bell http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57807 William Bell Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:21:08 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57807 Travellers have always owned horses. The travellers were driven from the sides of the roads of Ireland over the last two or three generations onto housing estates & brought their horses with them. The non-travelling people of those housing estates learned about horses & absorbed some of the travellers culture. That's the situation. Horses are now part of the culture of limerick housing estates & anyone that thinks that 'a regeneration' of the estates should exclude horses is deluded. It's never going to happen. What is needed here is compromise. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the horsey types, they just like horses. They will have to be accomodated. Travellers have always owned horses. The travellers were driven from the sides of the roads of Ireland over the last two or three generations onto housing estates & brought their horses with them. The non-travelling people of those housing estates learned about horses & absorbed some of the travellers culture. That’s the situation. Horses are now part of the culture of limerick housing estates & anyone that thinks that ‘a regeneration’ of the estates should exclude horses is deluded. It’s never going to happen. What is needed here is compromise. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the horsey types, they just like horses. They will have to be accomodated.

]]> By: Pat Johnston http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57799 Pat Johnston Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:19:03 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57799 norma st leger Says: ......." i was shot down because i did not have BHSAI qualifications, these are british horse board affiliation exams" Why dont you just do the bloody exams instead of moaning about it. They are simple enough to pass. Have you seen the f******* state of these horse and the way they are treated? If anybody else owned them, they would be in court for animal cruelty. Also why is the horse microchip legislation not being enforced against these guys? norma st leger Says:
…….” i was shot down because i did not have BHSAI qualifications, these are british horse board affiliation exams”

Why dont you just do the bloody exams instead of moaning about it. They are simple enough to pass.

Have you seen the f******* state of these horse and the way they are treated? If anybody else owned them, they would be in court for animal cruelty. Also why is the horse microchip legislation not being enforced against these guys?

]]> By: norma st leger http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57770 norma st leger Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:16:12 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57770 @ law abider, must say i thought william bell to you was complimentary, however your reaction has a vague thread of dictatorship? so, you vent your fraustration in the wonderland of an anonymous forum....and how revolutionary of you not to vote for willie odea, you must have met che guevara on his infamous trip to kilkee? where did you come up with such an advanced idea....don't vote, and prisons 3 times the size! you are outdoing yourself, but sorry, what will we do when we need prisons 12 times the size? you stated we need to change the MINDSET yes, thats precisly what i said, but not by expanding prisons and introducing iron fist politics....trust me when i say i'm no bleeding heart liberal, but i do hope i possess an open mind whereby i know that CULTURE and CULTURAL are defined terms by the peoples who create them, not definitions of a social awareness defined by ones peers, not even you can deny that horses have for over 50 years been part of the limerick landscape, and as you judge your fellow man so harshly, might i remind you that fanatacism, bigotry, unlawfullness is not confined to any one race,religion, or social dimension. we all know the regen plan is unstructured and ill defined in its social context, we all know that public funds will go down the toilet per usual, knocking the churchs, why? what a waste of the tax payers money, especially yours law abider, where is your voice, why are you so fraustrated ? why are you not challenging our goverment? why are you not challenging this forum to assist you in positive change? jails are a vital part of social correction, so why are the criminals coming out of them better versed in the ways of crime? why is the foundation of our country, health and education in tatters.....hardly because of 30 angry "clippety cloppers" in moyross....direct your energy where it might do some good....but dictatorship won't be tolerated...you don't want to draw the americans on you now do you? @ law abider, must say i thought william bell to you was complimentary, however your reaction has a vague thread of dictatorship? so, you vent your fraustration in the wonderland of an anonymous forum….and how revolutionary of you not to vote for willie odea, you must have met che guevara on his infamous trip to kilkee? where did you come up with such an advanced idea….don’t vote, and prisons 3 times the size! you are outdoing yourself, but sorry, what will we do when we need prisons 12 times the size? you stated we need to change the MINDSET yes, thats precisly what i said, but not by expanding prisons and introducing iron fist politics….trust me when i say i’m no bleeding heart liberal, but i do hope i possess an open mind whereby i know that CULTURE and CULTURAL are defined terms by the peoples who create them, not definitions of a social awareness defined by ones peers, not even you can deny that horses have for over 50 years been part of the limerick landscape, and as you judge your fellow man so harshly, might i remind you that fanatacism, bigotry, unlawfullness is not confined to any one race,religion, or social dimension. we all know the regen plan is unstructured and ill defined in its social context, we all know that public funds will go down the toilet per usual, knocking the churchs, why? what a waste of the tax payers money, especially yours law abider, where is your voice, why are you so fraustrated ? why are you not challenging our goverment? why are you not challenging this forum to assist you in positive change? jails are a vital part of social correction, so why are the criminals coming out of them better versed in the ways of crime? why is the foundation of our country, health and education in tatters…..hardly because of 30 angry “clippety cloppers” in moyross….direct your energy where it might do some good….but dictatorship won’t be tolerated…you don’t want to draw the americans on you now do you?

]]> By: law abider http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57755 law abider Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:28:30 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57755 @ William Bell A long time ago horses were used as work animals in Limerick. They were worked hard but never ridden around the streets by thugs. These people have no culture that involves horses that goes back any length of time. If you used the word equine around them they'd think it was some Polish cigarette you can buy cheap. I don't feel I am a mug and would certainly not be happier living like them. I am also well able to vent my frustration at politicians as I have done many times on this forum and at the last election Mr. O' Dea did not get my vote because I personally believed his party were lying to me. In fact he will never get my vote again unless I see him change. @Norma Jean Bell with the increase in drug use (especially heroin abuse) 5% of these people moving away from drugs and crime will be useless. The only thing they will understand is a threefold increase in the size of Limerick prison and being told that when the regeneration kicks in that will be their prize for trying to do any more damage. And to keep the cost down of keeping them there give them enough food to survive and no extra curricular facilities. They've had too many chances. I'm sorry but if this regeneration is going to work the mindset of these people needs to be changed so the majority of us can live in a city we can be proud of again and if that means turning our back on that small minority and removing them from society so be it. I've looked at the regeneration plans and have posted a small comment which might move us on from here as all the arguments have been gone through but are now beginning to repeat ourselves. @ William Bell

A long time ago horses were used as work animals in Limerick. They were worked hard but never ridden around the streets by thugs. These people have no culture that involves horses that goes back any length of time. If you used the word equine around them they’d think it was some Polish cigarette you can buy cheap. I don’t feel I am a mug and would certainly not be happier living like them.
I am also well able to vent my frustration at politicians as I have done many times on this forum and at the last election Mr. O’ Dea did not get my vote because I personally believed his party were lying to me. In fact he will never get my vote again unless I see him change.

@Norma Jean Bell
with the increase in drug use (especially heroin abuse) 5% of these people moving away from drugs and crime will be useless. The only thing they will understand is a threefold increase in the size of Limerick prison and being told that when the regeneration kicks in that will be their prize for trying to do any more damage. And to keep the cost down of keeping them there give them enough food to survive and no extra curricular facilities. They’ve had too many chances. I’m sorry but if this regeneration is going to work the mindset of these people needs to be changed so the majority of us can live in a city we can be proud of again and if that means turning our back on that small minority and removing them from society so be it. I’ve looked at the regeneration plans and have posted a small comment which might move us on from here as all the arguments have been gone through but are now beginning to repeat ourselves.

]]> By: ProjectX http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57748 ProjectX Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:50:34 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57748 @William Bell You quoted above: "Horses have always been a part of life in Limerick. Limerick wouldn’t be the same without the clippity clop of the youth riding round the streets on their proud steeds" What are you talking about! I've been in and out of Limerick for the last 30 years and haven't noticed the streets full of horses! I think you have been away too long. @William Bell

You quoted above: “Horses have always been a part of life in Limerick. Limerick wouldn’t be the same without the clippity clop of the youth riding round the streets on their proud steeds”

What are you talking about! I’ve been in and out of Limerick for the last 30 years and haven’t noticed the streets full of horses! I think you have been away too long.

]]> By: namedontmatter http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/2008/10/protests-at-regeneration-offices-over-horse-seizures/comment-page-2#comment-57746 namedontmatter Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:57:00 +0000 http://www.limerickblogger.ie/blog/?p=5817#comment-57746 Neigh. Neigh.

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