Brothel Brazillians ordered to leave city

This debate has run its course.

I give up.

Hi William,

Fact is that you are consistantly refusing to tell us what Councillor "Batman" Kiely has done for the people of Kileely, Ballynanty & Moyross.

It is simply not credible for you to maintain that 100% of Councillor Kielys work is done in secret.

Is there not even one single thing that you can come up with to support your claims that he has helped his electorate?

I am absolutly 100% certain that if Councillor Kiely had some achievement to his name we would have heard about as he is a master of getting publicity for himself.

He is in the local papers almost every week either talking about his favourite building projects or else talking tough on crime.

No, If councillor Kiely had something to boast about it would be all over the papers.

As far as the local criminals not liking Councillor Kiely, I think that it is more reasonable to say that he is irrelevant to them, as evidenced by their increased activities in his area.

If tough talk, press releases & photo opportunities would solve the crime problem then Councillor Kiely would have it sorted years ago. Unfortunately for Councillor Kiely, part of the solution is putting in some work on the ground and engaging with the local community. Sadly, in my opinion, he has shown a marked reluctance to do this so far. Perhaps the impending local election will yield a flurry of belated activity by Councillor Kiely in this regard....too little....too late.

Very Witty Pat. I admit to having a laugh at your last comment. I'm not going to announce Kevin Kiely's good deeds to the world here on the internet. If he want's publicity, he can issue a press release. All I know is that he is a decent man. I'm not trying to have the man re-elected, I couldn't care less if he ever got into the council again. I know, from personal experience that he helps people out 'on the quiet' & is strangely immune to broadcasting his achievements, for a politician that is. In plain language, Kevin is an oddball. He makes no attempt to project a more attractive persona through the media or any other channels. Kevin is Kevin, disliked by many, including most criminals in Limerick & liked & respected by some including myself who know what he does & who he does it for. If he doesn't get re-elected, he will find something else to do with himself. The bottom line is that he has plenty of support in Thomondgate, Kileely, Ballananty & Moyross & is well respected by the law abiding citizens of greater Limerick.

@ William

You are making Councillor Kiely sound something like Batman, secretly changing into his custume to perform secret good deeds that can never be revealed.

So basically what you are saying is that your friend Councillor Kiely is secretly "pulling strokes", which can never be revealed, on behalf of anonymous constituents.

This could even start a trend all over the country. I can see it now....all those councillors who remained seated on their fat arses for the last few years now have the perfect answer for those who noticed that they were doing nothing. They can claim that they were doing secret work for unknown constituents.

I might even try it at work if my boss says that I am doing nothing. I will simply use the Councillor Kiely defence and tell him that " I was doing secret work for a secret customer, which I cannot speak about"

You might have started a trend here Kevin :-)

Pat, I'm not a spokesperson for Kevin. I just know that he's a decent, law abiding family man. Clearly he isn't liked by a few people on here, I know he wont be losing any sleep over that. I'm not going to be drawn out on specifics regarding some of the things he's done for his constituents, that's for him to blow his own trumpet if he wants, I personally know people he has helped out & that's about all I'm going to say.

Ah, come on William.

Stop dodging the question.

For the third time......what exactly has Councillor Kiely done for the people of Kileely, Ballynanty & Moyross ?

The people that Kevin helped out know who they are & what he did. Sufficient to say he pulled a few strokes, as local politicians do & he takes care of those that support him.

Have to agree with Pat,

I haven't heared of anything Kiely has done except show up at the opening of envelops for the photo op!!

William Bell cant back up his claims as he has no evidence of Kiely having done anything constructive.

Will the face he pulls when he loes his seat be as much fun as the one he pulled when he wasn't voted mayor and had to walk home because he sold his car in favour of using the mayloral car.LOL.

@ William Bell

Thanks William. You have confirmed my view that Councillor Kiely has not done anything for the people of Kileely, Ballynanty & Moyross.

Readers will draw their own conclusions about your refusal to answer my question and back up your claims.

Kevin has done plenty for the people of Kileely, Ballananty & Moyross. I don't feel compelled to elaborate. If you want examples of some of the things he has done for his electorat, maybe you should make an appointment to see him.

@ William Bell

I am still waiting for you to say exactly what Councillor Kiely has done for the people of Kileely, as per your claim that "He’s done plenty for the people of Kileely".

Also, can you please elaborate on what you mean by "His close ties to Henry Street " ?

Pat. Kevin has his faults, his manner has turned many people against him. His close ties to Henry Street have also made him many enemies. Anyone in Kileely or Moyross who is fearful of the anti-social element has an ally in Kevin. He doesn't take a step back when confronted with the scum of Limerick & I'm very sorry that he didn't get the mayor's chain this year. If he had gotten in, I believe that he would have used the influence of that office to further undermine the gangs. I used to frequent the Treaty when Kevin owned it. I always felt safe going in there. Kevin is a decent man, unlike many of our gutless politicians.

@William Bell

"I know Kevin well. He’s done plenty for the people of Kileely"

Such as what?

How come you are unable to name even one thing that he has done?

What exactly are you claiming that Councillor Kevin Kiely has done for the people of Kileely?

Beacause as far as I am concerned he has done f*** all except issue moranic press releases.

I know Kevin well. He's done plenty for the people of Kileely. He's unlikely to rise to higher office because of his manner but he's decent.

@starkie

"oh the thought of kiely being mayor makes me puke!

Looks like most of the current city councillors agreed with you when they refused to support him for mayor last year.

law abider.
I havent said who I am voting for. I am not one of those pe ople steeped in a particular political party. I vote for the best on offer at the time its not just because of the shinners past, that I dont like them. Iam dealing with that resrvation right now because I think maurice quinlivan is the best out their. and I would love to see kiely being toppled, oh the thought of kiely being mayor makes me puke. a horrible person.

@ Starkie,

"prostitution is in itself not illegal" I did not know that.

prostitution is in itself not illegal. any woman or man for that case, gays , in mind, can sell sex from the privacy of their home. it only becomes a crime when it is run as a brothel, with someone managing it and several people selling the sex. also it is a crime to tout for business on a public street. but if a hooker wants to advertise for massage as its called and she is working on her own in her own home it is not a criminal offence. hookers selling sex in the streets are affecting the public, suppose you were living in that street, it wouldnt be nice to be getting confronted by a client mistaking you for a hooker, this has happened to a lot of women. plus your house would go down in valued rapidly.

Agree that prostitution should be legalised. Time for Ireland to move on. Agree about the cops liking an easy target. Prostitutes normally don't stab or shoot arresting cops.

Well done the Garda of Limerick!!! the streets are safer place thanks to this operation...... Well arn't they???? What a complete Joke the Law is in Holy Ireland, the Garda love an easy target that wont try to stab or shoot back them, such as the ladies in this case. In London where I currently live and consider the streets safer than Limerick, small Brothels in flats are tolerated by the Police provided they don't cause complaints due anti social activity. The police in London rather concentrate on genuine crime, something which Limerick has plenty of ie stabbings and shootings. Maybe some people are too conservative to recognise the simple fact that these Ladies were providing a service whice certainly is very much in demand, don't always assume that these girls operate against their will, the true reality is these girls are only to happy to accept the easy money thrown their way by nieve punters!!!

hmm prostitution make it legal. oops why should i care about the state of this service provider or their customers.

sure drugs make that legal too, one person agrees to pay for the drugs to make life more pleasant.

more "ordinary" citizens should run for public office

STARKIE

Thirteen years ago Sinn Féin became part of the peace process. Maurice Quinlivan and quite a few others in the party are not just good but also intelligent people. It's Fianna Fáil and other political parties want to keep the IRA link to prevent any more political gains by Sinn Féin. At regular intervals in the Dáil you see struggling debaters grasp at the Sinn Féin / IRA refence because they are getting their ass roasted in an argument. The past is the past. You either accept them for the party they are now or condemn them forever for their past.

Look at the many members of Fianna Fáil who have been implicated in illegal activity in the last ten years. Maybe it is easier to slate people who have in the past been linked to terrorism but when you step back and have a look at what political corruption and inaction have done to us today you have to ask who is worse? The Country is in deep shit and to be honest I'm looking more to the people or parties on the periphery of the Irish political scene such as Sinn Féin for some honest words I can believe.

I don't support Sinn Féin but am looking at their candidates in future elections as a definite option. The decision is yours. You either believe Sinn Féin have moved on after 13 years or they have not but if you want to see selfish, dishonest politicians who don't care about the people of this country I'd ask you to take a good look at what else is on view in the Dáil.

A simple question; Where is the crime in prostitution ?

I know there is associated crime, drug/crime gangs running brothels and prostitutes working to feed a drug habit, etc. Most of this is because it is illegal and therefore attracts such people.If it was legal and seen as a legit business then people would not be going to the seedy brothels run by questionable people and would instead go to the nice big shiny legal brothels.

My question related to the act of prostitution, which can be simply defined as a person (male or female) offering to engage in sexual activity for a charge.

If two consenting adults decide to have sex and agree that money changes hands why is that illegal ? Why is that a crime ? Both parties consented and were willing to engage in the act, both agreed to have sex, one agreed to pay.

What is so wrong with that ?

Skyguy & Starkie,

I agree with your comments. I am not a fan of SF but I have been very impressed with the work being put in by Maurice Quinlivan.

His work is in marked contract to Councillor Kiely who we never see on the ground. The only time I see him now is in photographs at free lunches.

SKY GUY.

I think your right their, as I already said I dont like the shinners as they are now called. bu I loathe and detest. kiely. he is a social climber. false, doesnt even say hello to most of the people in his own ward, a cops man. its a pity maurice quinlivan is not with a different party. he is intelligent hard working genuine, pleasant, and sincere. looks very well too. I personally know his parents and they are good people too. I know they are republicans, but one has to remember that maurices mothers family were all republicans. his parents are friendly people who would always stop for a chat with youi. anything to get rid of kiely.

@ pat you may be right there, theres no fear of Maurice hes the up and coming councillor on the noth side. he will get elected this time for sure, its just a pity he isnt with a differnt party or an independant

this is of no relevance to the case. it was stated in court by th edetective that their was no suggestion mr. quinlivan knew what was going on. please lets not let this story cloud maurice quinlivans political career, and no I dont vote for his party, but I beileve in fair play.

I suppose I should add, with a rate of 21.5% VAT @ the Point of Entry, we could solve our economic ills sooner rather than later.

Let the double enterdes begin.

@Elene,. Agree with you there - pointless trying to ban prostitution, I would think impossible.

I have no problem with legalised brothels, if it means safer conditions for those involved. Health wise at least it would help in preventing the spread of STD's and at least, as you say, curtail organised criminals running this business.

Mystified though as to why Judge Tom decided to give the proceeds of what is still - technically - a crime, back to people who had what he called a well resourced operation. Surely they had return tickets (open ended!) booked. But with our fucked up legal system the last thing I should be is surprised with what men dressed in kinky silks and wigs come up with.

Many countries in Europe and American states already license the trade, maybe Biffo could see it as a money-maker in these hard times, lol.

Good point ordering them to leave the country they are the lowest people imo only thing lower is the weirdos that pay them of course drug dealers are worse but prostitution is bad for all involved especially health wise

@skyguy

"that flat was owned by Nessin Quinlivan the IRA jail escapee, Brother of sinn fein Maurice"

So what ? ........if you read the article you will see the following

"There was no mention in court of Quinlivan being the landlord and nor is there any suggestion that he knew a brothel was being kept at the apartment which was rented to Ms Da Silva. "

Interesting that....if Nessan Quinlivan was not named in court & if there was no suggestion that he knew anything about it....then so where did the newspaper get their information?

Also, why did the newspaper feel necessary to drag Morris Quinlivan into it?

A certain local councillor who is about to loose his seat to Maurice Quinlivan getting desperate perhaps?

that flat was owned by Nessin Quinlivan the IRA jail escapee, Brother of sinn fein Maurice quinlivan see link

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk:80/news/local...

It's the oldest business in the world and should be made legal in my opinion. Put some control on it and protect and keep healthy and safe those involved. Some may not like the practice but it's going to happen which is just a fact.

Take it out of the hands of the hard criminal element. Inform, educate all involved.

Or am I on cloud Cuckoo land ? Would you look down on someone if they used a prostitue ?

This is a nice follow on from the Jim Long story. They paid no tax, probably sent most of the money home, served no jail time and had money confiscated from them given back to them to return to Spain. Well done to the judge for letting them off and wasting police time investigating, arresting, preparing for court and and attending court. Attention anyone who wants to commit crime - Ireland is the place to do it!

Pity the judges dont order the real scumbags to leave the city. While Brothels are no friend of decent society, there is a lot more dangerous elements that should be banned.