[Update]Confirmed: 1,900 jobs to go at Dell

UPDATE 2353 hrs: The day that staff, and indeed everybody else, have been waiting for is finally here. The preparations have been made for a meeting of all staff at the Raheen facility which willtake place at 0900 hrs.

Michel Dell, CEO of Dell Computer is expected to speak to employees via video link.

It is feared that an announcement will be made at the meeting that 2000 staff will be shed from the company in Limerick.

RTE Primetime report on Dell can be found here

TV3’s morning news programme will also be broadcasting live from Limerick as we wait for this big announcement.

UPDATE: 0830 hrs: The expected announcement at dell dominates many of the print and online media.

Dell Hell, is the front page headline in the star.  “1,700 jobs gone, 15,000 under threat.”  On page 4 of the paper the headline reads, “Dell delivers shattering blow to loyal workers.”

The paper reports that while 1,700 jobs are expected to go, jobs at Dell’s South Dublin facility are expected to be safe.

“Day of dread for Limerick – Dell jobs to go today with devastating consequences” is the headline in the Daily Irish Mail.  The paper puts the number of direct jobs to be lost at 2,000 and indirect jobs at 13,000.

The paper also reports that Michael Dell is expected to speak to employees via video screens in order to deliver the “grim news.”

In the Irish Examiner, Jimmy Woulfe writes that the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs have put together a contingiency plan to deal with what he calls the “dole queue avalanche” following the large number of lay offs resulting from today’s announcement.He also states in the paper that for every one dell employee there are four other workers in support positions for Dell.<

Meanwhile, Barry Duggan in the Independent tells us that the government spent six hours discussing the expected job cuts at Dell.

UPDATED: 0930 hrs 1,900 jobs are to go at Dell it has been confirmed.  The first batch of redundancies will occur in April with all 1,900 jobs being transferred to Lods in Poland and outsourced companies by 2010

UPDATED 1033 hrs: There is anger amongst some workers at what has been seen as a pathetic redundancy package being offered by Dell to those being let go.

Staff are to receive four weeks from Dell on top of the two weeks given by the state for every year worked.  Staff feel that the package because it is based on basic wages, does not take into account shift allowances, and does not take into consideration the large amount of overtime which was required of them during their time at Dell.

Making the news internationally

Dell to cull 1,900 Irish jobs – BBC News
Irish economy dealt jobs blow – Sky News
Dell cuts 1,900 jobs at Irish plant to lower costs – Bloomberg

UPDATE 1208 hrs: Statement from Jan O’Sullivan

“Today is not the day for attributing political blame for this catastrophe, but many of the Dell workers do not believe that all possible was done to save these jobs. The trip to Texas by Ministers O’Dea and Coughlan in particular appears to have been a question of ‘too little, too late’.

“The priority now has to be on the creation of new jobs and re-training opportunities.  There should be a key project group established to lead this drive

“The Limerick area has already suffered serious job losses and it is now essential that it now be given absolute priority by the job creation agencies.  The CEO of the IDA reported within the past few days that the agency hoped to attract up to 120 new projects to Ireland over the next twelve months.  Limerick must get a fair share of these to compensate, to some extent, for the Dell losses.

UPDATE 1345 hrs: Local coverage

Dell Limerick staff express shock and disappointment at job cuts – Limerick Leader

The people of Limerick react to Dell news – Limerick Leader

Citizens Information urge Dell employees to make contact – Limerick Leader

A quarter of Dell staff to be affected by April - Limerick Leader

1,900 jobs to go at Dell in Limerick – Limerick Leader

Dell to migrate 1,900 Limerick jobs to Lodz - Limerick Post

Dell to axe 1,900 jobs at Limerick base – Limerick’s Live 95FM

Dell Quits Limerick – Reaction - Limerick Newswire

Dell to cease all production at Limerick plant – 1,900 jobs to be lost – Limerick Newswire

UPDATE 1923 hrs: A report carried on RTE’s Six One news claims that a number of Dell’s suppliers have put their staff on protective notice following this morning’s announcement.

Press releases: As numerous press statements are coming in, I will publish them in their entirety for you to read below the fold.  Any non-statement updates will be published above the fold.  Any politician wishing to have their statement published below should send them to editors@limerickblogger.org

Vice president of operations, Del EMEA Sean Corkery

Dell will migrate all production of computer systems for customers in Europe, the Middle East and Africa (EMEA) from Limerick to its Polish facility and third-party manufacturing partners over the next year.

The manufacturing migration will be completed in a phased transition during 2009 and is among a series of steps Dell is taking to simplify operations, improve productivity, reduce costs and deliver even higher levels of customer satisfaction. The move is part of a $3 billion cost-reduction initiative the company announced last year and is being made as a result of an ongoing comprehensive review of Dell’s global supply chain.

“We are proud of our 18-year tenure as a major manufacturer in Ireland,” said Sean Corkery, vice president of operations, EMEA. “This is a difficult decision, but the right one for Dell to become even more competitive, and deliver greater value to customers in the region.”

Dell expects to reduce its Limerick manufacturing workforce by about 1,900 employees over the next 12 months. The initial release of employees will occur in April, with the full transition expected to be completed by January 2010. Affected workers will receive a competitive severance package and career outplacement assistance as they transition from the company.

“We will treat affected employees with dignity and respect and offer them every practical support through this extended transition period to minimize the impact on them,” said Mr. Corkery. “We appreciate the support from the Irish government and the people of Limerick over these many years.”

Dell’s employees in Limerick will continue to coordinate EMEA manufacturing, logistics and supply chain activities across a range of functions including product development, engineering, procurement and logistics. The company’s Global Innovation Solutions Center and EMEA Command Center will remain in Limerick. Dell continues its significant sales, marketing and support activities in Cherrywood, Dublin.

Labour spokesperson on Enterprise Trade and Employment Willie Penrose

The announcement by Dell of the 2,000 redundancies marks a bleak day for the Mid West region, not just in term of direct job losses but also of the significant level of loss in indirect employment that will result.

My thoughts first and foremost are with those workers who have learned today that they are to be made redundant. People who lose their jobs face one of the most traumatic experiences that they and their families will go through, and simply describing their plight in terms of being a blow for the local economy, does not encapsulate the reality that they face.

The jobs losses place a huge question mark over the Govt’s much-vaunted strategy on information technology. We have been told again and again in recent years that while traditional manufacturing did not form a central part of Ireland’s economic future, economic activity and employment in the technology sectors was the way of the future as we ‘moved up the value chain’.

Today Dell has announced that it is to shed almost 2,000 jobs, but it is not as if these are the first hi-tech jobs to go abroad in recent times. We have seen redundancies in Boston Scientific, Bourn Electronics, Motorola and Honeywell in recent times, and these straws have been in the wind long enough to have provided ample warning to the govt that all was not well.

Yet we have seen no response from Minister Coughlan, and no indication from her that she fully appreciates the severity of the problem that the sector now faces.

Ireland has particular competitive advantages compared to other countries, such as our proximity to the European market, the fact that we are English speaking and the high quality of graduates that we produce, and we need to exploit these advantages to maximum effect.

This may mean for instance, that we need to move further up the value chain, and concentrate resources on building a vibrant R&D sector for IT, pharmaceuticals, green resources and renewable energies. If this is the case, it needs to be explicitly stated by the Minister, because drifting along aimlessly with the tide is simply not an option.

Labour Senator for Tipperary North, Alan Kelly

The announcement by Dell of the 1,900 redundancies marks a bleak day for the Mid West region.

In the first instance my thoughts are with those who learned today that they are to lose their jobs. There is no good time to face redundancy, but in current economic circumstances it is likely to be particularly difficult for workers to find their feet in the short term.

The Dell workforce represents a massive resource that should be leveraged for the benefit of the region, and it is incumbent on Enterprise Minister Mary Coughlan to make sure that this happens.

The Minister should establish a key project group to lead the drive to deliver jobs for the region, and such a group must be set up immediately, so that its work can get under way straight away.

The Minister must put her shoulder to the wheel and work with the various state agencies to make sure that these Dell workers can be redeployed and where possible, retrained so that their skills and experience are not lost to the Mid West

The skills of the Dell workforce could be applied, not only to companies operating in the traditional IT sector, but also to those in the green technologies and renewable energy areas.

One issue that will need to be addressed as a matter of urgency is the inadequacy of the broadband service that is available in the Mid West region. The region will remain a massive competitive disadvantage as long as this problem remains. The Govt should prioritise the rollout of Next Generation broadband in the region, and should work with public agencies and the private sector to make sure that this happens. I fully support the calls of Shannon Development in this regard.

Mayor of Limerick City John Gilligan (Independent) (h/t Newswire)

“I really sympathise with them today, Dell employees in Raheen were exemplary and a credit to their employer and to Limerick City, There was never any industrial action and their productivity levels were world class.

In very many cases given the type of shift work that the workers did, their job took precedence over everything including family life. The entire city is devastated by the loss of these jobs and what this means for the greater Mid West region.

The attitude which the company displayed to its workers, with many having to hear details of potential job losses through the media and the rumour mill was unfair.

When plans for re-structuring were taking place, Dell should have spoken to the Government and local people to see what could be done.

It seems that the decision was made first and after that, it was only a question of when the bad news would be delivered.”

Bishop of Limerick Donal Murray

My thoughts and prayers are with the employees of Dell who received such devastating news this morning.

As the largest employer in the Limerick area Dell has been a very important element in the economy of Limerick for many years.

We must remember that this news not only affects those employed at the company but also our entire community. Bad news on this scale makes more evident what is always true – we are not isolated individuals. What affects anybody affects all of us. It is time for the community to stand together and act in solidarity.

Those who have been told today that their jobs are gone are part of our community. It is the responsibility of everybody to ensure that they feel supported. I ask the people of Limerick to pray for them and their families in these difficult times. I am consulting with the various agencies in the Diocese as to how best we can offer support.

Now more than ever we must remember our family and neighbours and offer them our friendship and practical solidarity as they face an anxious future.

Finally, I ask everyone to pray intensely to God that by acting together we will surmount these challenges and I pray that the Lord will keep hope alive in our hearts.

Sinn Féin Trade and employment spokesperson, Arthur Morgan TD

Responding to this morning’s announcement by Dell of 1,900 job losses Sinn Féin Enterprise, Trade and Employment Spokesperson Arthur Morgan TD has sharply criticised the government for its lack lustre approach to tackling the impending job losses in the company which have been mooted for some
time now.

Deputy Morgan said:

“The job losses in Dell will have a devastating impact on Limerick and the surrounding counties. As will the knock on impact of removing this integral element of Dell’s operations in Ireland on small businesses across the region.

“The government has failed to take action over Dell. For months it has been clear that Dell was reviewing its position in Ireland and yet the Government failed to come up with an alternative that could have saved these 1,900 manufacturing jobs.

“The Tánaiste and Minister for Trade Enterprise and Employment Mary Coughlan failed to capture the opportunity when interest was expressed by a consortium led Nicky Hartery to take over Dell’s manufacturing operation. No stone was left unturned by the government when Anglo Irish Bank ran its
own business into the ground and needed bailing out. Therefore it beggars belief that the government has taken such a ‘laissez faire’ approach to such an integral employer for the Munster region.

“Job losses in the Irish manufacturing sector have been significant and today’s announcement by Dell Ireland signals a tipping point for the sector. We have seen other Governments intervene such as Poland who invested a €52.7m government subsidy to computer giant Dell. Job retention and creation must become a central strategy for government. This means taking a hands-on innovative approach when companies like Dell first mute intentions to move their operations out of Ireland. The government did not present an alternative proposal to Dell. It did not work sufficiently with potential investors interested in taking over the operations. And by not doing so they have effectively sat back and let the chip fall where they may leaving thousands of workers and businesses across Munster paying heavy price.”

  • Squid
    Hi Guys and girls

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  • me
    "it is true that the company requested that no workers talk to the media?"

    Yes, we were all warned politely today to keep quiet when talking to the media, only Sean Corkery is allowed to spout his crap for them. I was delighted to see that guy on Primetime telling it like it is, if Dell try to make life more difficult for him we'll start a revolt, trust me people feel cheated.


    Foreign national worker said:
    "I do not feel sorry for them, they will just get out to the real world now, we’ll see how they get on!"

    People like you sicken my shit, you really do.
  • pat
    It is a sad day for not only Limerick people but Munster people as there are people from all over working there.
    Dont work there myself but am on an extended month long Christmas break from my company due to reduced orders. Dont even know what is going to happen in the coming months, years.
    Looking through the web sit I came accross a few interviews that Willie O Dea gave today on Radio 1 NEWS AT 1 O Clock.
    See link http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0108/dell.html (Click on Listen to and watch reaction to the announcement)
    From what O Dea said they were told on December 15th that dell was to cease production in Limerick, then our so called Tanaiste come on Prime Time this evening and states that no government member found out until this morning.
    Willie says in his interview that 750 jobs are guaranteed to be created in Dell in the coming weeks, again Our Useless Tanaiste says she knows absolutely nothing about it !!!!
    Now I for 1 am absolutely disgraced by this frigging attitude from one of our most senior members, and her resignation should be called for immediately.
    O Dea should get a pat on the back for coming out saying that 750 jobs are on the way rather than the government come out next week looking like Gods for bringing new jobs to Limerick.
    As is always said the time to hurt the government is at election time.

    Again it is a sad day but hopefully the announcement of 750 jobs can somewhat soften some of the blow for some people.
  • Nasher
    My sentiments exactly Hazel,I never thought you were racist just expressing your views in my opinion and why not its a free world!!As for Dell its a very sad day for those employed there but you have to ask what have you done to prepare for it as far as i can remember Dell has being leaving limerick or so the rumours went
  • YaYa Saki
    safe = same !! sorry I cant type !!
  • YaYa Saki
    Can I just clarify something... It's not the Poland plant that has taken these jobs, as from rumours within Dell today, Poland wont be around in 24months time, it's all going to these Asian companies who mass product laptops & desktops for the likes of HP, Apple, Acer & Lenovo. Dell is way behind the times, none of the other top 5/6 actually "make" their systems.. they are all mass producted !! The media seem to have failed to pick up on Mr. Corkery's full statement about the outsourced manufacturing. These Asian & Twainian companies make millions of systems, they all look pretty much the safe but are just badged differently.. So forget about Poland.. it's only a stop gap & no €50 million grant will save them either !
  • Foreign national worker
    1.
    Just after reading an article about Michael Noonan claiming ministers knew three months ago the company would cease manufacturing. I can assure that a handful number of people knew 18 months ago for sure.

    2. 5 years ago Ireland opened its doors for people from the newly joined EU countries to work here. From that time up to about last year there were more work here than the Irish national workforce itself. Foreign workers came here paid tax, prsi here in Ireland, spent money here paying VAT, some of them bought houses, more bought cars, paying Motor Tax. Now there is recession, and you blame them. It's happening worldwide, it just hurts more with the burst property bubble. I can assure that loads of non nationals have already plans, and only a handful number will stay to milk the dole. There have a lot been left already.

    3. EMF3 is an enormous "organization", and the bigger it is, the bigger the mess. The amount of useless people working in there, coming in for 10 hours shift, doing about 1/2 - 1 hour effective work, and just be there for the rest of the time, I presume everyone would know somebody who ever worked in EMF3. I do not feel sorry for them, they will just get out to the real world now, we'll see how they get on!
  • MOR
    thanks hazel,but it just sickens me whats is happening with our country with our so called goverment who are still on there xmas holidays by the way, really they dont care, the country is falling down but do they care oh no, they will still have their fat salaries & big cars, they will bail out the banks but if i cant pay my mortgage will they bail out me! i dont think so.....
  • lala
    Why would you say don't buy any dell computers?And let the 1100 people who will remain in Raheen lose their jobs? Don't be ridiculous. Hopefully Dell high end division will grow in Limerick the way the same thing happened with Apple in Cork, we need to focus on the solution now. Manufacturing in ireland is dead and gone
  • hazel
    well said MOR
    AND IM GLAD YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SPEAK OUT ON WHAT IS A DEVESTATING BLOW FOR LIMERICK BUT IF I SAY ANYMORE IL BE ACCUSED OF BEING RACIST AGAIN BUT FAIR PLAY TO YOU FOR SAYING WHAT YOU JUST SAID IN YOUR BLOGGER
  • MOR
    its disgraceful what happened today with dell,Michael Dell hadnt the balls to come over himself,from reports on the paper building sites in Poland have 'no Irish' on signs outside their building sites after Irish building contractors etc were employing thosands of Polish for years. rumour now has it that polish people working in Dell will stay in limerick & claim the dole as it will be worth more that a weeks wages in Lodz,Thus soaking our country again.
    Its about time our goverment starting looking after our own...
  • Minnie
    Guys dell can do whatever it likes about its severance package. they could have given less. 1900 workers now - prob the remaining 1100 this time next year at the latest. then the 2500 in dublin....no way would they have offerred any more. If Dell had put an offer on the table topay wprkers at the same rate as polish workers would dell employees have accepted it.....
    the other thing is all these calls for freezing morgages etc for a certain period of time....there is no way thats going to happen. if thast the case anyone that got left go in the last few years will take the government to courst for it not happenong to them. I know I would. Also they just bailed the banks out....do you think they now wnat to freeze peoples morgages for 6 months...no way - they will end up having to bail the nanks again then in 6 months time. i am sorr bt its not going to happen. thats what morgage protection is for....and people who are paying that for years arent going to be too happy to hear dell employees got it for free.....sorr if I sound harsh - buts realisitic.....
  • Squid
    The question should be asked, Why have dell put a cap on the redundancy package. The company makes billions of money the redundancy package for dell in Limerick wouldn't come to more than about 40 million. Most of the people there won't reach the 52 weeks.
  • eireking
    Mr ex Dell rep on prime time won't be getting any pay from Dell !!!
  • Anon
  • Converted Muck Savage
    Can the last person working in the Midwest, please turn off the lights.
  • Calin Dana
    Sounds Like Kevin D lost his Job.... Those are his views I do not share them. I work with two of the most dedicated Polish girls I have ever seen and they Put us lazy Oirish louts to Shame... Poland is not to Blame remember its the fat cats at the top are to Blame!!! Its all in the nature of the Beast, today Poland tomorrow The Philipines or Tobago.. where ever there is cheap labor the fat cats will get fatter!! Go to the Pub Kevin D and down a few if you want to hit a pole try an ESB one maybe it will knock a bit of sense ito you.
    Mise le meas an Calin Dana... oiche maith
  • Kevin D
    Once again they display themselves to be the true pack of money grabbing rat bastards that they are. Fuck off now Dell and take your new polish workforce with you. Its time for this country to start looking after its own.

    And if you are from Limerick and are even contemplating giving these cunts a cent of your money for their products again, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
  • Calin Dana
    Talk to the media?? Dell would charge you for the Luxury.... Is Dell the only Manufacturing Plant in Ireland.. enough Already.. Hey people in Gov. Bail them out, just like the Banks and the Pig People, Fat cats in Anglo Irish got away with Murder so did the top dog at Fas... The high up youa re in this country the beetter you can screw people... BIFFO RESIGN you have failed big time go back to Offally and Stay there... c'mon Willie Dumpt the fat git and let the people of the country have a voice!!!
  • Bobby
    Sorry for all workers losing their jobs today. It is a sad sad day for the Limerick region.
    Heard John Gilligan on the 1 o clock news, thought he did well, focussing on the companies short fallings in terms of corporate responsibility.
    I feel the redundancy is medicre at best. It is times like this, that you see the real need for trade unions.
    Also it is true that the company requested that no workers talk to the media?
  • Bling
    Does anyone know if Banta are now laying staff off too cos of Dell?
  • anonymoose
    Calling time on Dell in Limerick
  • mauser
    Dell sucks!
  • Squid
    I only remember one wildcat action by Iretex workers in EMF 3 back in 2001,

    They were protesting because Dell wanted to reduce the number of Ire tex workers on the lines, thus increasing people's workload. They brought the factory to a halt and eventually got what they wanted.
  • cece
    Gilligan's statement is a bit ridiculous to be honest. He said there was never any industrial action. Correct me if I am wrong, but there are no unions out in DELL, correct???? So even if they wanted to strike, they couldn't, or it would be sayonara, job gone, don't turn up tomorrow, leave your badge at the door thank you very much!!!
  • Pat
    @skyguy Says:


    "they capped the redundancy @ 52 weeks, that is illegal as its complusary redundancy, Dell can’t cap complusary redundancy"

    No, you are incorrect.

    Once Dell pay statutary redundancy the can then pay as much or as little as they want after that.

    They could simple pay every body two weeks a year ( I think thats statuary at the moment ) and leave it at that.
  • Calin Dana
    Colm:
    Hey Dude do not take it out on teh Politcians!!! Remember the Dell workers (not all of them) did a lot of Schiving and the Polish worked shoed you all up!! It was an easy decision for Mr Dell... Limerick.. Ireland just costs too much.. time to move to a cheaper location..

    When you decide to buy a product do you give a crap where its made.. no mate!! its the price.

    O Dea and Power still have a Job to do.. not making a policical issue out of this...
    Have you upskilled knowing what was about to happen!!!

    Build a bridge and get overit!!! Lots of people before you have had the same fate and agger me included.. I was screwed by Corkery when he was at AST but hey I got over it and there was no Poland to blame then..
    PS if the Banks were allowed to Go the the whole country would have been screwed not justyour little plot!!
  • Calin Dana
    Hi Henriksen!! I remeber you from AST ropund two for you buddy!!!
  • keith
    It is indeed a sad and tough day for limerick. as we all know, its not just the direct impact of the dell losses but ancilliary businesses and the mulitplier effect of money generated by dells existance in the region, that takes a nosedive a well.

    As for the political fallout, there is a certain element of truth in saying that politicians have little or no say in determining policy of large multinationals. The incentives that initially attracted and retained dell are now outweighed by the commercial reality of a contracting market and relatively high costs in Ireland.

    That being said, the simple fact is, this was on the cards for quite some time and little or no effort was made to plan for the future. True, dell given its size, is not readily replaceable in the Limerick region (especially given worldwide manufacturing decline in all sectors) but the likes of Apple in cork springs to mind...where govt backed initiatives partially replaced manfacturing job losses with R&D functions etc. So in this respect, the govt should be held to account, more so in the light of recent FAS scandals etc. The ODea / Coughlan trip was lipservice at best.

    Also, it must be said, employees knew this was coming as well (reasonable chance this was going to happen in the last 12 months), so one could argue there was an onus on them to at least look into alternative employment or upskill to give themselves the best possible chance. Todays announcement whilst a bitter blow was not unexpected.

    Finally, the redundancy package does seem very harsh and corkerys comments of, "affected workers will receive competitive severance package and career outplacement assistance as they leave the company" is disingenuous at best if reports of package capping ar true. When one looks at ex chairman, mike canon's payoff of $10 million +, it must stick in the throat of ordinary dell employees.

    It really is a hammer blow for the region, one which i fear will take a long time to recover from. 2009 will be an austere year for limerick.
  • John Smith
    Yeah Most people are only on a tenner basic per hour. THis was bolstered by the 20% shift allowance bringing it up to 12 quid per hour. WIth overtime it wasnt a bad wage. Unfortunately this shift allowance and over time are not being taken into consideration!!!
  • nada4
    chain reaction is just started, we'll see who is next, it was good while lasted anyway!!
  • colm
    O'Dea can kiss my ass next time he comes knocking on my door looking for votes. The Lodz plant is the worst performing in the Dell organisation but the local polish MP got the polish government to throw grants at Dell to keep them open instead of moving the business to a subcontractor like Flextronics in China. Had O'Dea or Power done the same then it would have been no competition and Limerick would be saved over Lodz.

    When it was a handful of bankers in the IFSC or a few hundred farmers producing poisoned pork then the government can find billions to bail them out. But thousands of Limerick people get the two fingers. We know where we stand now and I urge everyone to let O'Dea know he won't be getting his deposit back after the next election. Off driving around in a big lexus playing f*cking soldiers while his constituency burns. And as for Power. Well we always suspected he was a total waste of space based on his complete lack of presence in between elections but what a spectacular way to confirm his uselessness to his constituants.
  • Red Alien
    20% shift allowance that should be
  • Red Alien
    There is a third option as well marco where you multiply the average pay from the last 36 months by complete years sevive and divide it by 15. Then take away any tax free lump sums.
    I think most of them will fall into the first 2 options tho as they will be highest tax free allowances.

    This package is not good at all I heard Dell are not going to take into account the 20% allowance. Not good at all...
  • Joe 9
    I really don't think the government are prepared for what is going to happen when Dell finally leave in the next 12months

    Intel produce the chips for the Dell pc's and if there is going to be no Dell around, I'm pretty sure they will be next. A company that contributes 5% of total exports and the government don't seem concerned at all as to the fallout from this
  • Dodo
    I said I like hamburgers does nobody else?
  • Marco
    All the statutory redundancy is tax free but it is capped at 600 per week....
    The 4 weeks from Dell is ex-gratia and is taxable except for this:
    Tax-free entitlements
    On a redundancy or retirement payment, you are entitled to the higher of the following which is then exempt from tax

    Basic Exemption: The basic exemption due is €10,160, plus €765 for each complete year of service. (This does not include statutory redundancy which is tax free.)
    The Basic Exemption plus the Increased Exemption: An additional €10,000 called the increased exemption is also available in the following certain circumstances;
    1. If you haven't received a tax-free lump sum in the last 10 years

    2. If you have never received a tax-free lump sum and you are not getting a lump sum superannuation payment

    3. If you are in an occupational pension scheme, the increased exemption is reduced by any tax-free lump sum from the pension scheme you may be entitled to or, the present day value of any tax-free lump sum that may be payable in the future.
  • Squid
    @minnie

    The wages in Dell were always crap. the people cleaning the toilets were on higher wages than dell workers when I started there. in fact, most of the contractors were getting more than regular dell staff.
  • jimmy
    Statements like the one above by Jan O'Sullivan are not helpful ("too little too late"). Government do not have that much influence on the commercial decisions of big companies, and they are also restricted by EU rules on state aid. All she is doing is stoking peoples anger for her own political ends.
  • Squid
    Anyone there less than two years don't have the incentive to turn up, well if they can live without the dole for several months that is. The ones there less than two years are not automatically entitled to severance pay and can be told to bugger off if Dell feels like it.
  • nada4
    so we are done big time then??
  • minnie
    6 weeks including government redundancy is actually a god package folks given the numbers involved. And in the current climate its quiet good. I cant understand how people there 10 years are only on 20k a year? That can not be true. also redundancy is teax free if you have not been made redundant from another company in the last 10 years......
    Also - all redunancy can be capped......
  • henriksen
    poland here we come,the smugness of corkery this morning made my stomach turn,basically he is just a hypocrite..i wonder how many will turn up for work tonight...well i,m off to the pub..c ya
  • eireking
    Squid! No choice it's voluntary.. Also if you do find a job but Dell doesn’t want you to go then they can choose not to honour the package at all!!! Plus if you are there 18 years since it opened then all you get back is statuary as statuary isn't capped but the Dell pay is... Nice isn't it!
  • nada4
    is the first redundancy tax free?? if no can anybody let us know we are lost in this matter, can you claim your tax from the previous years??
  • Calin Dana
    All those in Dell who knew that was on the cards.. how many have prepared over the last year or two by upskilling... how many of the employees will skidaddle back to Poland along with the package and be reemployed there. The Banta and Secom workers do not have this option. 4 weeks for every year!! What do you expect in rip off Ireland.. Dell Hell!!!
  • RM
    Is there a list of what other company's will be affected by this closer?
  • Marco
    They can cap it.. All they have to pay is 2 weeks per year + 1 week - Dell pay this and get 60% back from Govt. The rest is an ex-gratia payment which they can cap anyway they like. 10k tax free plus 700 per years service.
  • Banta employee
    We're phasing out in line with Dell, all will be gone in the next 12 months, first lot to go in Apr, just like Dell, we'll follow suit and downsize same sections/departments as Dell are. No terms and conditions outlined to us, expetation from GM is to give us same terms as last people who left last Dec, that's 6 and half weeks for every (2 wks of which are government) but no garuntees can be given to us. Nothing definate communicated to us this morning, just these are what we know of Dell plans and we'll downsize with them.
  • yo
    “competitive package” my arse it's capped, most people here 10 years won't even get 20,000!!!!!!!!!
  • skyguy
    your wrong there squid, dell have announced complusary redundancy, they are calling people in and giving them their dates to go, thery have no choice in the matter, i.e. everyone on L2 is gone at the end of April, so the people are not volinterring to go they are being made go,

    @ Billy the last redundancies Dell gave were voluntary redundancy, this is complusary redundancy so as far as Im aware they must pay people for the years of service. a case was taken in Aug 2007 to the Labour court against a newspaper company called Johnston press ireland that made the company remove the cap on the redundancy because it was complusary redundacy, here is the link to it, so what Dell are doing is illegal,

    http://www.independent.ie/business/court-improv...
  • crackd
    statutary isnt capped which means the longer some one is there the less dell pay
  • Red Alien
    They cant do that squid everyone will get compulsary redundancy plus Dells 4 weeks. And obviously the compulsary redundancy cannot be taxed. As far as I know the employees can claim up to 5 years tax back as well.
  • Soviet
    Any news on the other sections affected, Banta, Flex, Sercom - bleak outlook for alot of families in 09.

    4 basic salary weeks from dell per year, and 2 weeks from government with a bonus on top of that for workers made redundant at Dell.


    Line 2 will be first to go June, then in August most will be leaving, with last sections leaving on rollout phase.

    Any news on whats staying here in Limerick, ie: logistics, managment teams, customer service sections, HR & finance?
  • Barry
    A dark day for the mid-west region. Not only will Dell empoyess be hirting, but the thopusands of other jobs in the region that are partly dependent on Dell
    My thoughts are with all the affected Dell empolyees. Best of luck to all of you concerned- i hope you can find suitable employment elsewhere as sson as possible
  • Squid
    Not necessarily. they will no doubt offer people the choice of whether they want to go in april or later. those that go in april will be given voluntary redundancy terms. the only ones getting compulsary redundancy are the ones leaving on the last day. you wait and see.
  • Billy
    skyguy, are you sure that Dell cannot cap the Compulsary Redundancy...they have in the past and nothing was said or done about it.
  • skyguy
    they capped the redundancy @ 52 weeks, that is illegal as its complusary redundancy, Dell can't cap complusary redundancy
  • Red Alien
    Sean Corkery said a "competitive package"
  • Dodo
    I like hamburgers
  • Kablam
    450 jobs gone in april (line 2) with the rest to follow in the following 6 - 8 months. 6 weeks for every year of service (4 from dell, 2 from the govt) not a bad package but i thought dell could have offerd us more. Its going to be a tough couple of years....
  • minnie
    Are they getting a good package - how many going in April?
  • Red Alien
    At least they will get a good redundancy
  • Bling
    1900 jobs just gone in the meeting n ow
  • sw
    rte getting catty
    Mr Dell, along with his wife Susan, started a foundation that offers grants for children living in urban poverty. Such a grant might come in handy if the impact of these massive layoffs reach Limerick's poorest communities (click here to find out how to apply for the Michael and Susan Dell Foundation grants). miaow
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