Dell: The “Ripple Effect” begins

Dell EMF 3 in Raheen

Dell EMF 3 in Raheen

Feel free to carry on discussion relating to Dell’s announcement here in the comments.

UPDATED: 0020 hrs: A cursary glance at the front pages of the morning’s papers thanks to the Vincent Browne Show leaves no doubt what the big story is today.

10,000, the number screams out of the front page of the Examiner.  The number represents the estimated job losses following yesterday’s announcement by Dell Computers to end manufacturing at it’s EMF plant.  The 10,000 are the people working for companies which are contracted by dell, or who have benefitted from the hundreds of millions of euro poured into the local economy by Dell’s employees.

The story makes the front page of the Independent, where it says that a massive €7 per hour is the difference between wages at Limerick and wages at Lodz in Poland.

I will have more a more detailed look at the papers when I get my hands on them.

Meanwhile, employees of RR Donnelly, formerly known as Banta Global Turnkey, have informed TV3 news that they have been told that their jobs are now on the line.

RR Donnelly is one of numerous companies who have dell as either their largest customer, or their only customer, and employs upwards of 700 people in Limerick.

UPDATE 0055 hrs: RTE’s Prime Time feature is now availible online.

Employees are definately not happy with the severance package, as can be seen from employee Eamon Ryan’s comments.

In semi-related news, the EU is carrying out an investigation into the awarding of a €53m grant from the Polish government to Dell. If Poland is found to be in breach of state aid regulations, it will be prevented from making the payment to Dell.

However, the investigation will take up to six months to carry out. It began in December of 2008.

UPDATE 1900 hrs: The Dell jobs losses features prominently in the tabloid papers also.  The Daily Mail warns of a further 1,500 job cuts following yesterday’s announcement.  The paper also slates the Tainiste, Mary Coughlan for being “too busy” to visit Limerick at this time of crisis.

The Daily Star reports on the suspicious payment by the Polish Government to Dell which is under investigation by the European Eunion authorities.  The €52.7m payment is suspected of being in breach of competition law.

Back home, the IDA has tried to play down claims made by Defence Minister Willie O’Dea that the organisation is trying to secure 750 new jobs in Research and Development and customer care at Dell.  The head of the IDA has told the Limerick Leader that it is too early to speculate on the number of jobs being sought.  He also tells them that a number of other countries bidding for these jobs, however it is hoped that Dell would be “more sympathetic” to Limerick

Press releases: As numerous press statements are coming in, I will publish them in their entirety for you to read below the fold.  Any non-statement updates will be published above the fold.  Any politician wishing to have their statement published below should send them to editors@limerickblogger.org

Limerick County Council Green local Election candidate, Trish Forde Brennan

Green Party Representative, Trish Forde-Brennan, is calling on Green ministers, John Gormley and Eamonn Ryan, to give special priority to Limerick in terms of infrastructural development and in the investment of Green Businesses.While training will help Dell employees to find alternative employment, the reality is that jobs do not exist for many.Taking into account the knock-on effects to other ancillary businesses we must generate new modes of employment.I will work to persuade my Green colleagues to make Limerick the national centre for energy research & development and energy -related employment.

Fine Gael Limerick City Councillor and former City Mayor, Diarmuid Scully

Three years ago, during my term as Mayor of Limerick, I asked for and was granted a meeting with two senior executives in the IDA to discuss the economic development of our city. There was only one item on the agenda – Dell’s plans to locate a manufacturing facility in Eastern Europe and its potential impact on employment in Raheen.

The IDA was fully aware of the reality of the threat. They expressed the view that in the longer term it would be extremely difficult to retain manufacturing jobs in Limerick. Their strategy – in 2006 – was to work with Dell to increase the number of high end jobs in Raheen and to try to ensure that the inevitable loss of manufacturing jobs would take place slowly, over time, so that the wider economy in the region would be able to generate sufficient employment to absorb those workers leaving Dell.

The first part of that strategy appears to have worked. 1,000 non-manufacturing jobs are being retained. The second part is in tatters. The sword has fallen at the worst possible time for Limerick. Before this announcement, our city was already in the grip of a savage recession. Unemployment in Limerick city in 2008 rose at a faster rate than anywhere else in the country. By November it was already back to the levels it hit in the early 1980s.

With the Dell announcement, and the loss of up to 5,000 knock-on jobs, the number of unemployed in Limerick is almost certain to reach its highest rate ever.

To prevent a total catastrophe, the government must act now. There are a number of simple steps they can take to protect Limerick and the Mid-west, but they will require leadership and imagination – two qualities in shockingly short supply at the moment.

They should:

  1. Fund Regeneration. This €3billion project has been put on ice by this government. The plans are in place, but the money is not. Regeneration has the potential to create many hundreds of jobs in the construction industry. The knock-on effects would do much to limit the wider economic damage done by the Dell closure. It also makes good economic sense to build now when construction costs are falling.
  2. Protect homeowners – Ban repossessions. Many of those who have lost their jobs now stand to lose their homes as well. This cannot be permitted. We the taxpayers have bailed out the banks. As part of the re-capitalisation programme, the government must insist on a complete moratorium on the repossession of people’s homes.
  3. Reform Back To Education Allowance. Until our cost base is significantly reduced, it is unlikely that we will be able to attract large scale manufacturing into Ireland again. Those losing their jobs in Dell will need to re-skill for other careers. The BTEA as it currently stands is too restrictive. Many Dell employees are graduates. The only postgraduate courses open to them under the BTEA are those leading to a teaching qualification. Other relevant courses should be permitted and second qualifications in a different discipline should also be permitted.
  4. No two tiers of job seekers. The Dell severance package may not be overly generous but others will be worse. Those workers in retail and other service industries who lose their jobs because of the knock-on effects of the Dell closure are unlikely to receive anything above statutory. The supports now being offered to Dell workers should be offered to all job seekers in region.
  • bb
    shift allownece now given to dell employees
  • tony
    its looks like there is another 1000 jobs could be on the line in dell.dont know if it is limerick or bray.
  • Limerick Hurler
    Joe's gone all quiet ........ looks like he had more "takers" for his last post than he anticipated!
  • Soviet
    Joe are you not aware of same are you in the media?

    Suppliers - Banta, Sercom.

    Cleaning / Catering - Cambells, Noonans, Sodexho Catering.

    Security - Group 4 security,other security firms and security staff within Dell.

    Recycling - Cardboard recycling ,Connaught Packaging, aeroboard services.

    Haulage - some private and some logistics, shunters, hauliers, UPS,DHL, Walsh Western, Interlink (DPD) to name a few.

    Coaches - Martins coaches and buses.

    Taxi - set price taxi's - all limerick based ranks.

    Plus local shops, takeaways and pubs etc.

    All the above would be affected in some way or the other, some bad some not so bad imo.
  • henriksen
    is this a quiz joe? whats the prize?what does it matter who they are?..all u need to know is the city/country is fooked...by the way folks...did u see mary is in town today meeting with "dell employees"?..who the fuck are they?
  • Limerick Hurler
    Joe

    Why is it so important to name these companies?
    If I was a small supplier to Dell and depended on their business the last thing I'd want right now is my name plastered all over the place ....... one sniff of trouble and my suppliers and banks would quickly haul me in and cut my credit for fear that I'd go to the wall.
    Think on - I'd like to know exactly why you're demanding names? Is it to make a point of some sort?

    As for your comment on Sean Corkery - again I have one question: Where is the track record of raping and pillaging? And I need you to be very specific in demonstrating how he personally raped and pillaged organisations.

    I'm not saying that Dell couldn't have done a better job with their redundancy terms - they certainly could, but I object to many of the posts here that are hurling personal attacks on specific individuals who I do not believe merit such attack.
    I'd be more critical of Coughlan and O'Dea ....... they could have been tougher with Dell from the start and pushed for a 104 week ceiling and shift allowance to be included - these are the real culprits in this fiasco ...... they knew what was going on and did nothing other than take a trip to Texas in the middle of the winter!

    Then again, we get what we deserve ...... putting O'Dea top of the poll every election - what has he done for Limerick besides refusing to support Shannon Airport, canvassing for criminals to get early release, and putting in a word for pvc windows or planning permission?????? Councillor stuff - not what you'd want from a TD, and certainly not a Minister.

    Speaking of TD's - where the hell is Peter Power? Hibernating in his Caherdavin enclave, waiting until 3 months before the next election to show his head in the city or speak out on our behalf???? Kieran O'Donnell and Jan O'Sullivan seem to be the only local representatives we have who are doing any sort of decent campaigning, while wee Willie talks rubbish about 750 new Dell jobs that both the IDA and Tanaiste are saying is rubbish!!!!
  • nadia
    thanks guys and to converted muck savage ive no kids this is my first time ever out sick from any job and for a genuine reason
  • Joe
    any more takers on my last posting?
  • curly wurly
    Good to see Dell getting a bashing on Q & A again tonight, tight stingey gits.
  • Joe
    @ Limerick Hurley,

    To be honest with you I am of the view that you are wrong on this. I know people who have worked as hard as Sean Corkery and who are more qualified than him who are out of work on the dole right now but they have never been as well paid as him. He has a track record of raping and pillaging. What about AST. F Mccarthy. Seems to be a track record with these people. The same people getting the gravy train all the time!!! Who you know, not what you know.

    @ henriksen.

    What are the names of the security company, the recycling company, the haulage companies, the financial service companies, the milk, bread, meat suppliers, plumbers, electricians etc? It's the names that are important. Can you name them?
  • henriksen
    @joe
    companies like, banta,flextronics,sodexho,ups,the security company,resource cleaning,the recycling company,the haulage companies,the financial service companies,the milk suppliers,the meat suppliers,the bread suppliers,electricians,plumbers, i think u get my drift joe...also there will be less cash about so pubs and shops will be effected...nobody is safe
  • madmanmickmagoo
    Michael Dell is the 11th richest man in the world and is only going to get richer. The package they offerd us was a downright disgrace.
    I have worked in Dell for the last 9 yrs and to cap it at 52 weeks was total ignorance on Dell's behalf. After all it was the people of Limerick and the mid west that made Dell so successful. At least they could have given the shift allowance and people would have been a bit happier. As for the lump sum pay outs,most people i worked with only got roughly between 22,000 and 25,000 euro. I dont know where these 30,000 figures are coming from. Managers and Supervisors would have received that but not the joe soaps like me and others !!!!!
  • henriksen
    @cailin dana
    hi bocavista! i have a vague recollection of that nickname..its good to see some old paddynetters still out there..we were pioneeers!i kind of still use the same nick in case i do bump in to some of the oldies on paddy..ur the first i have met..well take care and if i ever have to take another redundancy package is that 3 strikes i,m out? lol
  • robert dell
    actually the settlements are even worse than what you think , i am in dell for 13.5 years so my goverment redundancy is about 15000 whicj leaves me getting about 18000 from dell of which they claim back 60percent , so in all i am getting about 10 weeks for 13.5 years .
  • Limerick Hurler
    Firstly, if Dell had been unionised it would have closed down 10 years ago - no argument! The flexibility of the Dell workforce over the past 18 years helped make it the most efficient in the Dell world for years .......... a union environment would have been a disaster.

    Secondly, Sean Corkery has been a key person in the transformation of the Limerick site from the high cost operation that it was 10 years ago to the lean, mean machine that Limerick has been for the past 6 or 7 years. He took over when Corkery walked and is in the unlucky position to be leading the organisation at this time. The Dell decision is no reflection on his leadership or contribution to what has been an amazing success story for the past several years. I have great admiration for the guy and some of the slagging he's getting on this forum is out of place, inaccurate and at best a 'wild swing' at whoever is in the top seat.
    What does it matter what dividends the guy got - he's gotten what he's got by hard work and being the right guy for the job in some of the country's top performing companies. He was a really strong leader of Dell's Manufacturing Operation before he took over from the guy who walked last year, and while in that position he was hailed as a man of the people, and was cited as one of the key drivers of Dell Limerick's success.
    What's changed - he's now the guy at the top when the place announces closure - nothing else.

    Let's face facts - if Mother Teresa took over last November and the place announced closure last week the same people would be out demanding her head on a plate!!!
  • Joe
    Problem is though that nobody seems to say who these local companies that will be in trouble are. Any ideas?
  • Joe
    YEah, a real shower of shits. Yeah corkery got 700K in tax free dividends in 2008 according to Sunday Indo 09/01/09. What makes him worth that kind of money? Many people in Ireland can do his job. All it is is administration, organising, etc. They blow it up out of all proportion and make it sound more complicated than it is. A few Limerick people have got tax free dividends also.
  • Dell Man Walking
    Its a lot of bollox. Dell have offered 6 weeks wages per year served but cpped this at 52 weeks. so for people there ten years or over, theyre gettin shafted as dell refuse to pay more than that.

    Plus 2 of the 6 weeks is paid by the govt. So its basically your tax is paying for one third of your redundancy if your on Dell row.

    They really have proven to be the shower of shits we always thought they were.

    Thats what you get for not goin union.

    ..
  • the point
    Tony go travel meet new people and cop yourself on, i'd rather stand next to a polish,lithuanian or latvian in the dole que then then some irish scum bag who had no intenions on getting a job and never has.
  • Red Alien
    Thats good lads the package could have been a lot worse. Maybe those on a pension scheme recieved a tax free lump sum back on top of their ex gratia and thats the difference.

    Nadia dont worry you are entitled to the the very same as the others have said you are still employed by Dell.
  • Squid
    Actually any foreign national made redundant is entitled to claim back money from the dole office. it is called PRSI and is their own money.
  • Tony
    Rhebogue Ranter.just go down the dole ques now,see how many irish are on the dole,and see how many foreign nationals.so what are they doin,ohhhh sorry,only claiming back what is theres.and the polish goverment can give a good back hander aswell,,,,,,,,
  • Tont
    the point,i do think they should send the irish home,if there not working in another country,but i know in aussie or america,there goverment wont pay u to go home,
  • the point
    Nadia once your employeed by dell you will get your redundencey as you are still on the books
  • the point
    Tony do u think the aussie's the americans and all the other countrys with irish workers in it should send the irish packing home? simple question.
  • Rhebogue Ranter
    The foreign nationals made a huge contribution to this country . A few years ago they were our saviour as we didn't have enough people willing to get off their backside and work. You had alot of able bodied Irish people on the dole leaching off the taxes that the foreign nationals paid. They came here to work, Paid their prsi and paye like everybody else, paid rent for a roof over their head and spent their after tax income on groceries , heating , electricity like evey body else. The decision to move dell was made by Dell, An American citizen.. Not a Polish citizen.
  • Converted Muck Savage
    Nadia, the situation with you is that you probably had kids a long time ago and claimed sick leave so you would not have to back to work, you are as bad as the lads on the dole who complain about having to take a half day from work to claim the dole in the post office.

    Other than that I think your entitled to redundancy for the time you ACTUALLY WORKED IN DELL.
  • Tony
    Remember signs saying no niggers chinks or Irish, in America, now in Poland u have signs, saying no Irish need apply, well if it is that way, the Irish government should get the polish out of Ireland, and not give them money to leave either, as rumours has it, polish in dell intend to get there money off deal, then sign the dole, and wait for the Irish government to give them money to go home, who would lose out there, the Irish people again. And for the people out there saying that the polish did the low paid jobs, those low paid jobs were better money, then they ever got in Poland.

    i would love for a MODERATER ,TO START A BLOG ON THIS ISSUE.( mod edit you cant say that)looks like micheal,is looking after his own
  • Tony
    Remember signs saying no niggers chinks or Irish, in America, now in Poland u have signs, saying no Irish need apply, well if it is that way, the Irish government should get the polish out of Ireland, and not give them money to leave either, as rumours has it, polish in dell intend to get there money off deal, then sign the dole, and wait for the Irish government to give them money to go home, who would lose out there, the Irish people again. And for the people out there saying that the polish did the low paid jobs, those low paid jobs were better money, then they ever got in Poland.
  • THETRUTH
    nikki6969 u sound like a guy pretending to b a girl and doing a bad job of it ,in fact..you sound like a bit of a redneck!Is anything you say based on any integrity or fact??the situation with dell was a long time coming i could have predicted this disaster years ago,people are just not interested in the current state of their own economy,but i dont think the foriegners and or immigrant non nationals will b leaving anytime soon,(and who said they werent contributing or helping did you know the polish pay taxes)as the euro is strong and will increase in value.
  • nadia
    does anybody know what the situation is for someone out on long term sick leave from dell who has been with the company for over ten years
  • nikkai696969
    SOME PEOPLE ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY ARE GOING TO GET AND NOT WORRING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FEW EUROS ARE GONE, THERE WILL BE NO JOBS OUT THERE TO GET AND SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE MONEY THEY WILL GET AND BEFORE THEY KNOW IT ITS ALL GONE. THHE FOREINNERS NEVER HELPED THE ECONOMT EITHER THEY LIVED ON PASTA AND RICE AND WALKED EVERYWHERE. ALL THE MONEY WAS SENT HOME TO POLAND AND NOW WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT. F**K OUT THE FOREIGNERS NOW AND GIVE WHAT JOBS ARE LEFT TO YOUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN WHO PUTS THE MONEY BACK INTO THE ECONOMY.
  • Dell Emp
    @ Hazel

    The UK will have a lot of construction Jobs soon in preperation for 2012.
    Canada is crying out for workers. There may be a global economic downturn but they are still jobs about if you bother to look. Its not as bleek out there as u might think. Irish workers need to rewind about 10 years and reliaze that working in mcDonalds / Dunnes Stores is a job and a job that will pay bills, alot of people taught they were above these jobs during the boom when work was readily available. These positions were taken up by imigrants who were only to happy to fill these positions. TIME FOR A CHANGE IN ATTITUDE by the young Irish workforce who know nothing about recession as all there working life was during boom years.
  • Dell Emp
    @ Red Alien.

    I had about 39 people in my group in Dell , ( and yes i too lost my job ) i know 100% fact that my people recieved between 26, 000 - 34, 000 severance packgage. I have giving each one of them a sheet with that stated on the paper
  • hazel
    wiliam bell i like you therory on emigrating but where too
    theres no jobs anywhere its a WORLD recession
  • ELIZA O
    Red Alien
    As a Long TERM employee of dell started 1991 per 1995
    my terms to-day were payment from the Goverment 14,000
    MY PAYMENT FROM DELL 10,000 AS THIS WAS CAPPED AT 8 1\2
    YEARS MY TOTAL PAYMENT BEING 25,000 FOR 17 YEARS
    THIS IS A COMPANY MAKING BILLIONS AND NOT GOING BUST
  • the point
    Red alien im going by what i saw on paper and on my own paper
  • Red Alien
    "most of us got between 22 and 28k"

    I hope most got at least he 28k but cant see where it is coming from when unless your a manager you wont be on more than 13 euro an hour. Can you show me where the figure of 28 k comes from.

    This would be a bit better than the 20k at least
  • William Bell
    To all those young people who are being made redundant & have only the Dole Queue to look forward to. Take the money & get the hell out of Ireland. The Irish economy is joined at the hip with the US economy. The US is bankrupt & the shit will be hitting the fan in the US this year. The Printing of money for the various stimulus packages will help initially, but when the money starts landing in the cash registers at the bottom of the value chain massive inflation will follow, possibly by economic & social ruin. The average Irish Politician won't have a clue about any of this. They simply can't see it coming.
    If you've a ball of cash, use it to get out . . and forget about heading to America.
  • the point
    most of us got between 22 and 28k,1 no a guy in dell who is there over 10 years and is nearly on minimum wage,the temps who were made full time last year were on more then him,he wasnt the best worker but he was still employed they wages are brutal,if u can brown nose the supervisor like many u would of got a better end of year review which meant better raise,once they said they will review our pay increse before xmas we knew it meant bad news we didnt get our raise its being reviewed in october when most people will be gone anyway.

    About the move to poland i think it was a bad move by Dell,they can cut costs and do what they like but HP are a much better quality brand then dell ever will be and will always remain number 1,the fact u can customise your system makes them popular with companys wanting specific things,but the quality of the systems in ireland was very good and i think it will take poland well more then a year to get going dell are putting all there eggs in one basket and i think it will come back to haunt them.

    They want people to work 12 hourse next week after telling them the bad news a few hours earlier,if people do no overtime the backlog will be bigger and the transition to poland will take longer,i no the money is needed but finish up after your normal shift and it will affect them alot more,its our turn to play hardball now
  • Red Alien
    @ Dell Emp

    The average worker is on €500 a week I know that from people working there over 10 years but without the shift allowance of 20% its only €400. So capping that at 52 weeks is only €20,000. Would this be right?
  • eireking
    henriksen - Just so you know I work for Dell & was directly impacted, I have got many qualifications from the company & I'm very grateful to them. I was a good worked still am & I'll turn up for work every day until I'm gone !!!!
  • Dell Emp
    @ Red Alien.
    Average worker there more than 8 1/2 years would be on more than 400 p/week. 30,000 would be the average payout.
  • Hoof
    Wouldn't surprise me Theory if it helped sway the deal, the virulent anti-Americanism in the Irish media doesn't go un-noticed either in US Republican circles.

    But ultimately it all comes down to the bean-counters, and for €3 per worker/per hour Dell would have considered taking the shop to Iran. And sure as fuck one day they'll take manufacturing out of Poland when wage rates increase to three times atht of India. Then the Warsaw government will probably target the what we hope are the remaining "quality" jobs (so described by WillieO, et al) in Limerick.
  • Funky-do
    @ Calin Dana - Noticed Corkery's Shamank accent myself.


    I don't agree with Dell's crappy treatment of it's employees, but at the end of the day this was a business decision to save money.
    It's the same type of decision we all make on a daily basis ourselves (but not on such a grand scale). How many of us hit the supermarket once a week to get the week's shopping done ?, when we could probably get everything we need in a closer local shop.
    Why ? Because it would more than likely work out 20-30 Euros cheaper at the supermarket. Now do we feel such outrage, or responsibility, when the local shop closes down ?

    You may not agree with the way it was done (I sure don't), but you must understand why it was done.
  • Red Alien
    The Irish Times wrote today that the maximum reducdancy package for long term employees comes to about €30,000. I dunno where this figure is coming from as the basic pay a week without shift allowance is around €400.

    Can any Dell insiders give an accurate figure as to the total package for long term employees?? Someone here said around €20000 which sounded more accurate?
  • The Maker
    I find the following Polish media news paper a bit over the top. After all we did train them and gave them jobs when they had noting.......


    "By Ciaran Byrne, The Indo


    Friday January 09 2009

    "DELL closes Limerick and goes for Lodz!" The 'Gazeta Wyborcza' was, like most Polish media yesterday, predictably delighted with the bad news.

    "Good for Lodz, bad for Ireland", said another Polish headline as the jobs announcement swept across Europe.

    Even an ongoing EU investigation, announced last month, into Dell receiving €52.7m to open a plant there is unlikely to hinder the planned expansion of the firm in the east.

    'Gazeta Wyborcza' listed all the recent Irish job losses including Waterford Wedgewood, and Tara Mines, as it welcomed Dell's announcement.

    The paper marvelled at how unemployment rates in Ireland could soon be higher than Poland, a scenario unimaginable just a few short years go.

    The once depressed industrial city of Lodz, which is 140 kilometres south of the capital Warsaw, is licking its lips at the prospect of 3,000 jobs. "
  • Theory
    Conspiracy theory. I bet this was part of the deal for the Poland-U.S. missile bases. Fact on the rte web site is that Michael Dell has donated vast amount of money to the Republican Party and is a supportor of Bush giving donations to him. A sweetener for the missle deal.
  • Calin Dana
    Hey Henriksen
    Back then I was Bocaviso on the old Paddynet site... those were the days in AST and Corkery got Skinny and developed a phomey Half Yank half Sham Accent.
    Take care dude and best of luck!!

    PS the Irish Flu is not allowed into Poland.. No Irish need apply etc...
  • henriksen
    @eireking,bud i dont know what u do for a living but i hope u are happy with ur job,"could have been worse" 1900 jobs gone , only a matter of time b4 another 1000 jobs go at emf1,and how could u expect people to get retrained when they are working morning noon and night to make michael dell as much money as possible?"the only problem now is do these people think they’re above pushing petrol pumps !! " i dont know what world u are livingin but 99% of petrol stations are self service,i would love the oppurtunity to push petrol pumps i just dont think they would budge no matter how much force i would use.live long and prosper kid,i hope u dont have to put up with lies for 2 years and then get shafted by spin doctors.
  • John Smith
    Eireking.....You are right about Dell giving their workforce a chance to get educated. I worked there for Seven years, and Dell paid for three X 2 Year courses I did at HSI. People on the lines used to laugh at me because I was trying to better myself. Who is laughing now??

    I fortunately left Dell over two years ago. Because of my Dell'gotten qualifications I was able to pursue jobs in other industries. I now earn more than double what I used to earn at Dell, and have no fear of losing my job.

    The majority of the people (Excluding Foreigners) never bothered their ass taking Dell up on this fantastic oppurtunity to better themselves. Was I the only on on the factory floor that knew Dell was not going to stay for ever?

    It gas to hear people rabbit on about the shock of the situation. I am no economist, but when I joined Dell back in 1998 the rumours about Dell closing were rife!!!

    I wonder now how many people are sorry they never attended college while working at Dell. These are the same people that moaned what a shithole Dell was, but like everything you only miss it when its gone. The same people are moaning about the shift allowance/ overtime not counting for the redundancy package?? This shouldnt be a suprise?? The shift allowance/ overtime never counted in any bonus paid out at the end of quarter.

    These people should count themselves lucky for getting such a package. My thoughts are with the employees of Fulfles that got just two weeks for each year they worked!!
  • DELL-GIMP
    My two cents on the matter as an employee here is, Think it was very bad form of Michael Dell not coming to Ireland to announce the closure of the plant in the coming months. (Apparently a PR spokesperson for him said it about a week ago that it was not on his agenda) Its a well known fact the more u have the greedier u get. Many people over the years made this company what it is. And Made a hell of a lot of money for the company. Thus making it successful. Wheres the thanks now !!!! (Wham Bam Thankyou Limerick suckers Im off. Well Michael hope ur proud of yourself you greedy PRICK.
  • minnie
    I cant believe that people were asked to work yesterday and last night after the announcement. I also cant believe that people did it......
    Time to start going out sick on 'stress'
  • minnie
    I thought your man Eamon was a plonker......his comment about made of sterner stuff was ridiculous and instantly turned me off him. I dont work in dell but you wont get much sympathy having this guy doing the talking for ye. Just to comment. I believe that the Poles though working for less money have insisted on unions and are standing their ground on terms and conditions etc - I believe dell had big trouble out there but at the end fo the day they still chose to go there.....so the poles are obviously made 'OF STERNER STUFF' then the Irish.....Eire king you are right.....people with no qualifications that started on the line in dell were nearly all retrained and promoted etc through dell and most people should be grateful for what they got from dell.....ye were very lucky to have it for so long......
  • eireking
    Dell had no choice but to give the same package as they've always given, to be fair it could have been worse as there were so many people to pay off. And it's true that people in Dell knew for at least 2 years the place would be gone. Almost everything the non manufacturing people were working was to go global & reduce costs. Dell also gave a lot of oppurtunity to allow people to retrain, people got some serious qualifications out of the company that would have just started there with a leaving cert , the only problem now is do these people think they're above pushing petrol pumps !! Package might be a bit mean but it's a package... and first round is April so save hard folks !
  • Limerick Guy
    So who saw Prime Time? Firstly Eamonn I know it was meant as a joke but saying people in EMF1 were made of sternerstuff and didnt cry... that came out bad mate but you completely rectified yourself in the end telling that tool Mary Coughlan she was a joke.

    Mary Coughlan made a complete fool out of herself last night. Every single question she was asked she did not answer... she waffled on and changed the subject. She made a complete fool out of herself last night.
  • overthebridge
    we should have seen it coming alright. see below link about mickey dell's links with bush. bush is well known for his anti union stance

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/01...
  • henriksen
    hey cailin dana!i,ll be fooked if i know u...but hey ho...yup ast 11 years ago..sean corkery in charge,dell present time sean corkery in charge..coincidence? i dont think so,if he had a modicum of decency he would have left like hartery,god knows he doesent need the money..maybe he gets some kind of perverted kick out of it..also fiona mccarthy was in charge of ast h.r back then and she is in the same positon in dell..its like dejavu all over again! i think the worse part about yesterday id they asked us to come into the meeting at 9.am told us our jobs were gone,then had us come back into work at 6 pm until 4 am,,,people were wrecked tired after having no sleep due to worry and stress..they couldent give a shit out there..still the bottom line NUMBERS.
  • Up_too_late
    For your consideration .....

    Outgoing Dell executives get $11.25 million total

    Michael R. Cannon, head of global operations, is getting the largest chunk — $10 million paid in three installments over the coming year. Chief Marketing Officer Mark Jarvis will take away $625,000, or one year's pay, plus another $625,000 in bonuses.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/2856548...
  • The Maker
    The seeds were set when the first sod was dug in Poland for the end of EMF3. I can remember the Polish being trained and then heading back home knowing that they were next in line for their Celtic tiger. We can’t have it all our own way, it’s now a big bad world out there and you all voted for it in the last EU treaties, ie Niece and so on. The Poles don’t give a dam about this country and would you blame them. We don’t give a dam about them when it comes to our jobs. I just hope they don’t make the same mistakes that we have made, you see and I know this may sound hard to all, but the government and us, yes us, pissed it all away. We got to greedy folks.

    I work for a company in Shannon that services Dell. My job could now be on the line.
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